What is Propertarianism？ Pillstream #4.mp3

00:00:53 All right.
00:00:51 Welcome to the pill stream.
00:00:54 I'm Devin Stack, and I've got a guest with me today.
00:00:57 John mark.
00:00:58 You can follow him on Twitter at John.
00:01:01 Mark says he also has a YouTube channel.
00:01:04 Where he talks about Propertarianism, which is kind of what we're going to talk about.
00:01:10 So thanks for joining us, John.
00:01:13 And if you want to, I I was thinking a lot of people might not be too familiar with what propertarianism is.
00:01:20 It's kind of a new way of governing.
00:01:23 I guess you could say that that seeks.
00:01:26 To fix a lot of the problems of our current system and and hopefully stopped some of the problems that have been destroying our current system from happening again, and I'm really interested in that aspect of it, I'd really like to see.
00:01:46 Because there's a lot of things that that democracies have problems with that are just that, come with the fact that you can vote in your own interest that are basically going to lead to bad things.
00:01:56 So I'm very curious to see what you have to say in terms of.
00:01:59 Of what Propertarianism does that's different than our current system and how that would, well, prevent that sort of thing happening.
00:02:08 So why don't you just go ahead and tell everyone a little bit about yourself, about your channel if you want, and then we'll launch right into it.
00:02:16 Thanks a lot, Evan.
00:02:17 Appreciate it.
00:02:18 Great to be on tonight.
00:02:19 Hello to everybody out there.
00:02:21 And again my name is John Mark and I started a YouTube channel about three months ago now I think and it just started taking off pretty quickly and a big part of that is because I'm talking about propertarianism.
00:02:33 And I was kind of the first person that went out there and said, OK, I'm really gonna try to popularize this and try to get a YouTube channel that really gains more views.
00:02:41 And it's really taken off like wildfire, and I think it's because people are latching on to to it and thinking about it the same way that I do, which is it's a fantastic long term.
00:02:53 Solution for the right wing, so just context for the audience.
00:02:56 Obviously this is not something that's gonna be just, you know, like rolled into implementation in our current system.
00:03:03 But as we'll probably chat about a little bit later, there's going to be some kind of a shakeout in America.
00:03:07 And So what I often say is we have we, the right wing, the grassroots right wing.
00:03:12 We have to be ready with something better.
00:03:15 If and when we have a chance to implement something better in the future so that our descendants don't have to keep fighting this battle over and over, and I believe proper training is the answer to that question of what do we implement?
00:03:27 And so I'll give you a quick overview and you know, Devin, feel free to interrupt me at any time ask me questions it.
00:03:35 Usually takes me.
00:03:35 5 or 10 minutes to get through kind of the basic concept introduction of it, so I can.
00:03:39 Roll through that.
00:03:40 But proper journalism is something that was developed over the past several years by a man named Kurt Do.
00:03:46 And he did it basically in public on Facebook, just making Facebook posts and having people help him refine it.
00:03:52 And all of that.
00:03:53 And so it's to the point now where it's it's pretty well completed.
00:03:57 We have a Constitution that Kurt has written that is almost complete.
00:04:02 It's obviously tries to to keep the the good things about the original.
00:04:07 US constitution.
00:04:08 But the original US Constitution obviously wasn't air tight enough because look where we are and there were just things that they could not have foreseen.
00:04:15 So it's a fairly complete solution and it's a rule of law based solution.
00:04:19 So I'll try to give you a kind of an.
00:04:20 If you.
00:04:22 Of it.
00:04:22 And like I said, feel free to interrupt me, ask questions or you can ask questions when I'm done.
00:04:26 So I think the easiest way to describe it or the simplest way to describe it to start out is it gives us right wingers.
00:04:35 It it gives right wing instincts, a scientific language, empiricism based language to talk about our.
00:04:46 And then it also gives us legal language to and gives us a mechanism by which to enforce what is important to us through rule of law, because right wing instincts, what our instinct is, is our instinct is to protect the various assets of our group, our civilization, our nation, whatever our group is.
00:05:07 Our instinct is to protect those assets, and many of those assets are not physical things.
00:05:13 A lot of it is commonly owned and or intangible like culture or trust, right?
00:05:19 Things like this or the quality of the human capital of our nation and so.
00:05:23 Well, and one thing I I I I find interesting about this is one thing I've always seen as a problem with with our current system that I don't have a solution for, but I feel like proper tearing is a.
00:05:36 Might address and that is the problem of of generational wealth, where you have this upper class that has the ability to protect their generational wealth and roll that into the next generation, and that includes power and all this other stuff.
00:05:52 But what's not protected is the common man's generational wealth.
00:05:57 The safe neighborhood that his kids grow up in, you know, so when you make these decisions that allow for all, you know the, the, the third, the mass, third world immigration, that affects the quality of life of the average person, it's affecting the generational wealth of the common man where?
00:06:16 That what would normally be passed on to his children would be the safe neighborhood.
00:06:21 And now, because of the decisions of the upper class, who they still have their safe neighborhood.
00:06:26 And and in fact, they're they're they're getting more wealth to pass on to their children by importing these cheap workers.
00:06:35 So it's basically the.
00:06:37 It's not generational wealth.
00:06:40 Is bad, it's just that it's only protected in in one class of people.
00:06:46 So maybe you can talk about that.
00:06:49 A little bit.
00:06:50 Extremely well said.
00:06:51 That's possibly the classic example of what proper turning ISM fixes.
00:06:56 So what you're talking about there is what the upper class is doing is they're import.
00:07:00 Getting people from the Third World because they're the business ownership class and it makes for easy profits.
00:07:07 I mean, you got more warm bodies to buy your stuff and at the same time you got more warm bodies to drive down the price of Labor.
00:07:13 So it's a win win for them, but it's a loose for the guy who just wants a safe neighborhood and a homogeneous culture.
00:07:20 And trust and.
00:07:20 All of these other things that we value.
00:07:22 And so you're exactly right.
00:07:24 If we go and try to steal their money, we're going to get in trouble with the law.
00:07:29 But if they steal our safe neighborhood and all these other things that we value, they don't get in trouble with the law.
00:07:34 Why don't they get in trouble with the law?
00:07:35 Because our law does not recognize a safe neighborhood or a high trust culture as forms of property.
00:07:43 But those are forms of property.
00:07:45 So what Propertarianism does is it teaches us to think of that as a form of property because it is.
00:07:52 So that's the first thing I think the easiest way to just to explain propertarianism is 3 improvements in Rule of law.
00:07:59 And one very powerful tweak to our system of government.
00:08:03 And this is not going to do all of proper journalism justice.
00:08:05 So please don't judge it just by what I'm giving you here, but what you said and was a perfect example of the first improvement and rule of law that proper training gives us, which is a full empirical definition of property.
00:08:19 So the proper training definition of property includes things that are intangible, includes things that are commonly owned, and the simple definition is basically that which a person or a group has demonstrated investment in.
00:08:34 And has not gained by stealing by imposing a cost on someone else, and is willing to defend.
00:08:42 So if you look empirically at how humans behave, they defend a lot of things that they would consider their property.
00:08:49 According to that definition.
00:08:51 And if somebody imposes upon those forms of property.
00:08:55 They defend themselves and you get into a retaliation cycle.
00:08:58 And of course the job of law is to stop retaliation cycles, and if you don't recognize these other things as property, what you get is retaliation cycles, which is what we've got in America right now, which is heading us into a very bad.
00:09:11 Situation so does.
00:09:12 That make sense when I'm explaining that first one.
00:09:14 Devin, the the more full definition of property.
00:09:17 So yeah, I think, and I think that's important is there's creating the language and and making it it's like.
00:09:23 I I was reading a design book I used to do graphic design all the time and I was reading this design book in the beginning of the book, she said the author said I, you know, I I never knew what a Joshua tree was until one of my friends pointed out a Joshua tree and said that's called the Joshua Tree.
00:09:39 And then I started seeing them all over the place and it's like as soon as you can.
00:09:43 Put a name to something.
00:09:44 It's like, way easier to identify.
00:09:47 And it's the same thing like I I drove a Chevy Cavalier once and these cars look like every other car in existence.
00:09:54 And I never noticed Cavaliers driving around until I owned one, and then I.
00:09:57 Was always.
00:09:58 Seeing my car driving around and I think that once you can put a language to these intangibles, people in the society will just start to notice it and and and be able to attach a value to it.
00:10:11 So I think that's I think that's really important.
00:10:14 Since that Propertarianism is bringing to the table.
00:10:18 Yeah, it it.
00:10:18 It hacks your brain.
00:10:19 I mean, I've been studying it for maybe like 2 years now, following Kurt on Facebook, but once you learn to see the world this way, it's exactly what you said.
00:10:27 You see it everywhere.
00:10:28 It hacks your brain and basically what it does is it models all human conflict as property disputes.
00:10:33 And you start to see it that way and you realize that's what's going on.
00:10:37 And then you look at what our current system.
00:10:39 Is and what it's doing and you realize it's not resolving all these property disputes because it's not defining all these things as property that people actually consider to be their property in the way that they act.
00:10:51 And therefore, you know, if the law doesn't define it as property, you can't defend it.
00:10:54 You can't defend what you can't define or what you don't define as property.
00:10:58 So that's a great way of thinking about it and it does hack your brain.
00:11:01 You start to see it everywhere.
00:11:03 Once you start seeing that, so that's the first big insight of propertarianism a full definition of property.
00:11:09 And then the second improvement in Rule of law.
00:11:11 Is just.
00:11:13 What I would call trying to think of the best way to attack it, but it's basically just reciprocity.
00:11:19 You have a very specific definition that's written down in proper journalism and the that would be written down in our rule of law.
00:11:24 It's a very specific definition of reciprocity, and I won't go through all the ingredients cause I don't want to get too technical, but it's just four or five ingredients and what you see is if you look at human behavior.
00:11:34 If a transaction between two people or groups does not meet this definition of reciprocity, you.
00:11:42 You get retaliation, you get retaliation cycles.
00:11:45 People either will leave each other alone, or they'll fight.
00:11:48 If if what they're doing cannot meet this definition of reciprocity.
00:11:52 So this is.
00:11:53 A another very powerful insight that goes hand in glove with the full definition of property.
00:11:58 And So what the what the judiciary would be doing under propertarianism is they wouldn't be doing a lot of this arbitrary legislation that they're doing now and legislating from the bench and all of this.
00:12:11 The purpose of rule of law is basically to decide.
00:12:15 Property disputes.
00:12:16 Now that we know to talk of it that way with the rule of reciprocity, is somebody violating reciprocity against somebody else.
00:12:22 And if they are, they can't do that.
00:12:24 And then you shut down the retaliation cycles.
00:12:26 You get a high trust going in your society, even to a higher level than we already have.
00:12:31 And then you get richer and richer because people are cooperating instead of fighting and parasiting off each other.
00:12:36 Does that kind of.
00:12:36 Makes sense.
00:12:37 So with the the reciprocity thing, give me give me a real world example of something like that.
00:12:42 That's that a problem.
00:12:44 I guess that that in current society that that this would address.
00:12:49 OK, so we could go back to the same example you just used.
00:12:52 So just to run down really quick, the definition of reciprocity and propertarianism, if I can remember them all the top off the top of my head, it has to be productive.
00:13:00 In other words, it has to add value.
00:13:01 The exchange between two groups or humans has to add value.
00:13:05 It has to be fully informed.
00:13:07 One party can't not know something that the other party.
00:13:12 Productive, fully informed, free of negative externality.
00:13:15 It can't affect some other party that's not party to the exchange.
00:13:18 It can't affect them negative negatively.
00:13:20 It has to be voluntary, so these criteria it has to meet.
00:13:23 So if you look at that, what the ruling class is doing to us, what the ruling class is doing to say the white working man in America, right or?
00:13:30 Just the working man in general.
00:13:32 They are.
00:13:34 They are exchanging in a transaction they are imposing upon us these millions of.
00:13:40 And they're using an excuse. The excuse is well, it benefits the economy, quote UN quote. And it increases GDP. Well, that's just one measure that's not a full accounting.
00:13:50 We use the terminology and properties in quote UN quote full accounting. In other words, you have to look at all the costs and all the benefits and so.
00:13:59 If you look at what they're doing.
00:14:01 There are a tremendous number of costs upon us.
00:14:05 For one thing, it's not voluntary.
00:14:06 We're not agreeing to this.
00:14:07 We never agreed to this, did.
00:14:08 We you know, I.
00:14:09 So so there.
00:14:10 Mean that's a simple.
00:14:10 One right there.
00:14:11 They're deliberately not informing the public about the negative impacts and and in addition to that, you know, the bottom line is really like there's.
00:14:19 No consent at all.
00:14:21 I like I I I I actually got.
00:14:24 I got retweeted by by Stefan Molyneux this week when I all I did was I I tweeted out two photos.
00:14:31 One photo was a picture of an elementary school in 1968. I wish I could bring it. Bring this up right now, but I don't. I don't have my stuff set up to where I can do this.
00:14:41 You can find it well on Stephen's a bunch of people retweeted it. Probably a lot of people saw this, but it was just 1960.
00:14:49 Eight class photo and it was all white kids.
00:14:55 You know, all well dressed.
00:14:57 None of them were significantly overweight.
00:15:01 They looked very respectful and then I found a photo from that exact same school from 2016 and first of all.
00:15:10 I had.
00:15:11 Five different teachers for some reason, much more like more students it was like.
00:15:17 It went to the classroom size, looked like it had increased by like 30%. They had, like I would say, 80% of the kids were were overweight and we we could only find one white kid in the entire photo.
00:15:31 And it was it's it was 50 years difference and the and the demographics had like the.
00:15:38 People had been.
00:15:39 Completely replaced.
00:15:40 It wasn't like, oh, look, now there's some diversity.
00:15:43 There was no diversity.
00:15:44 There was.
00:15:45 There was one lonely white kid like, like, barely in the back, like finding where's Waldo?
00:15:49 It was ridiculous.
00:15:51 So yeah, I think when you have governments making these decisions had in other words.
00:15:58 If in 1965.
00:16:00 Had they just shown the average person who was supportive of the the the the Immigration Act change what you just show them those two photos and said this is what it's going.
00:16:11 To look like in 2016, they would say no. They would say hell no, because in fact you can look back to Kennedy talking to people.
00:16:20 Oh no, this is not going to change the demographic makeup.
00:16:24 I mean they.
00:16:24 They lied in in that situation.
00:16:27 Let's just say let's use this as an example.
00:16:29 I mean, 50 years would be kind of a long time, but let's just say improper terminism the government were to essentially do the exact same thing, and the public were to say, all right, this clearly impacted us and all these, you know.
00:16:45 We weren't informed it affected us negatively.
00:16:49 What, then do you do?
00:16:50 Like what?
00:16:50 What mechanism does propertarianism offer that where I can actually undo the damage or or be recouped?
00:17:00 Somehow, yes, you can go retroactive too.
00:17:03 And so you can go into court and you say.
00:17:04 Hey this this transaction.
00:17:07 Did not meet the definition of reciprocity.
00:17:10 It's a parasitic transaction.
00:17:11 It's imposing these costs on these various forms of property that we value, and this is also a perfect segue into proper tourism, recommends a change to our system of government.
00:17:21 A simple change, but it's extremely powerful that nips a lot of this.
00:17:25 That would nip a lot.
00:17:26 Of this in the bug.
00:17:27 Going forward as well, which?
00:17:29 Any legislation that is passed by, say, the houses of government and just to be clear, under proper nationalism under proper terrian rule of law, you could have various forms of government underneath it, right?
00:17:40 But let's just say for example, we have our current form of government, we have the two houses of government, whatever the case may be, the two, the two houses of Congress, let's say they passed some legislation.
00:17:49 And they want to bring in, you know, an extra 10 million refugees from somewhere or something, something like this.
00:17:56 Right.
00:17:56 Well, what Propertarianism recommends is any legislation that is passed by the houses of government has to be double checked and vetted and approved by the judiciary.
00:18:08 To ensure that it is reciprocal to ensure that it is not parasitic upon any group or any form of property in the nation before it can be passed into law.
00:18:17 And if it doesn't pass that test the the judiciary kicks it back to the legislation and says you can't pass this.
00:18:23 You can't do this.
00:18:24 So and 1:00 as long as you can keep your judiciary relatively clean.
00:18:28 In one fell swoop, you are cutting out the whole corrupt politician thing.
00:18:33 You're cutting out the whole special interest buying politicians thing, because why would you buy politicians if you can't pass parasitic legislation?
00:18:39 That's the whole point, and you're nipping a lot of this in the bud right up front.
00:18:44 Does that make sense?
00:18:44 The way I'm explaining it?
00:18:46 Yeah, the the but I want to and we can get into more of this later, but until we get all the way through it, but.
00:18:51 That's the one weak link that I've I've identified at least just in the in just what little I know of propertarianism is that what is what's protecting the judiciary from becoming corrupt?
00:19:04 Because right now it's corrupt, you could easily say you know, and there's groups that are way overrepresented in our judiciary right now.
00:19:11 So what would prevent?
00:19:13 What mechanism would prevent that from happening?
00:19:15 It's because I kind of feel like in some ways it almost makes it too powerful, like like a lot of, you know, national Socialists, for example, will say, oh, it'd be great because you have all these people that really care about the nation and you're like, OK, that might work for, like a generation and then eventually it would become corrupt.
00:19:31 And, you know, it would be.
00:19:32 Like socialism everywhere else.
00:19:33 And I kind of feel like.
00:19:35 That that there could be a possible problem with propertarianism with the judiciary, you'd have judge it like is.
00:19:42 Is that something that's been really fleshed out or is it still kind of like, well, we're we're not, you know, that's not the details haven't been.
00:19:49 Is that something that you'd have to almost like trial and error or or how?
00:19:53 How does that, how does how do?
00:19:54 You address that, I guess.
00:19:56 Well, that's a great question and that's one of the most common questions we get because just like you that people immediately perceive, OK, you're giving more power to the judiciary.
00:20:03 SO2 quick points one is let's not forget that if we had the system in place, we would be removing a gigantic wide highway through which our enemies are driving daily.
00:20:13 Right now, which is the whole corrupt legislation thing, right, the whole corrupt politician thing. So we would be fighting A1 front battle, if that makes sense.
00:20:22 Keep the judiciary clean.
00:20:24 Right.
00:20:24 OK.
00:20:25 So then then the question is, how do you keep the judiciary clean?
00:20:29 I think what people don't immediately understand is that under proper training is we'd be.
00:20:34 We'd be removing a lot of what the judiciary does right now and just so everybody knows, I'm gonna be asked.
00:20:39 I'm gonna be interviewing Kurt Doolittle, and this is probably the first thing I'm gonna be asking him because I feel like he grasped this better than I.
00:20:46 But under Propertarianism, the judiciary is just going to be deciding whether interactions are parasitic or not.
00:20:52 As I understand it, they're not going to be legislating from the bench.
00:20:55 They won't even have the.
00:20:56 Ability to do that because of the way the.
00:20:58 Laws are written and.
00:21:00 So we won't have this desperate.
00:21:01 Oh my gosh, we got to have more.
00:21:02 People on the Supreme Court than our enemies do because otherwise they're going to legislate from the bench.
00:21:07 You know, they're just going to be deciding whether something's parasitic or not.
00:21:11 Kind of returning to it was actually better in the past from what I understand, so I'll just give that brief introduction and I I would encourage people to check out my interview with Kurt where I'm going to go into it with him more in detail and I'm coming out with a video soon that also links to a video where he was on a show being interviewed by.
00:21:31 Two people, one of whom was a lawyer, and he and the lawyer were going back and forth, and I really learned a lot from that too, so I'll recommend that too.
00:21:38 But yes, that's the you're proceeding correctly that there's a lot of power in the judiciary and we have to keep the judiciary clean.
00:21:44 But again, it's this whole problem how?
00:21:46 How do you reduce the?
00:21:47 How do you eliminate the corruption from a governmental system?
00:21:50 Public hangings.
00:21:53 Public hangings and that's and you also correctly identified.
00:21:56 The other option is you can have a strong man, right, or you know, national socialism or a monarch.
00:22:01 Monarchs incentives are better than the democracy we have in right now, but then the problem is, what if you have a great monarch and then his son is an idiot, you know, jerk or whatever.
00:22:09 It's hard to sustain, so if you could make proper terminism work and keep the judiciary clean through various mechanisms, it could really sustain for a long, long.
00:22:18 Time not not to get to sci-fi, but what if you were able to create an AI that would automatically check your like the the the see if that way.
00:22:29 It couldn't be, you know, you you couldn't be corrupted other than you know, obviously you you right it wrong.
00:22:33 But if you somehow had an AI that would just, it's just a bunch of if then statements, you know that eventually it's like, yeah, this is this is property or, you know, and and then that way you can't really **** with it.
00:22:43 And and if it ends up being wrong about stuff, you just, you know.
00:22:47 Fiddle with the code a little bit.
00:22:48 I mean, I think that'd be crazy.
00:22:49 That's a little star track and and and I can see a lot of nightmare scenarios that would come out of that.
00:22:53 But I don't know.
00:22:55 I've always.
00:22:56 But it it's interesting on.
00:22:56 Thought that there was.
00:22:56 Some, like infallible thing that could just decide, yes, this is just no, this is not.
00:23:04 It would be interesting.
00:23:04 To hear what Kurt has to say about this because it Kurt comes from from a computer programming background and I don't know anything about computer program.
00:23:11 But he said one of the things that helped him come up with this was when you write a computer program, it has to be, you know, everything has to work.
00:23:17 If there's a single thing in the link that does not work.
00:23:20 Your program doesn't work and so it's a lot like all these definitions that are used in proper terminism are empirical, and they're actually not that complicated once you just spend a little bit of time to kind of look over it and understand it.
00:23:33 It's not complicated, so that's part of the beauty of the system too, is the average person can really.
00:23:38 I mean, unless they're maybe really low IQ or something, the average person.
00:23:41 And basically understand what reciprocity is and.
00:23:44 And what?
00:23:44 And they'll be able to know when reciprocity is happening or not.
00:23:47 And so it will be very easy to identify when judges are trying to go off the reservation in that regard.
00:23:52 So maybe instead of writing AI you could just write a very clear, almost like a program that the judges themselves have to go through.
00:24:01 Like if a bunch of if then statements that they have to do and then if you find out that.
00:24:05 They're deviating from that list, then public hangings.
00:24:11 Somebody else had another?
00:24:12 If you I did suggested that too, if you if you if you're a judge and you get found that you're on the.
00:24:17 Take death penalty.
00:24:18 You know, that's pretty.
00:24:18 That's absolutely.
00:24:20 Yeah, I think that honestly, that that just that change alone that should apply across the board.
00:24:25 I think that like what country was that, it was Indonesia where they found out that the bankers were colluding and and and manipulating things and they literally gave the death penalty to a bunch of bankers which.
00:24:38 Sounds awesome to me, but if.
00:24:40 If that's all you did was just say, all right, the second you find out.
00:24:44 I mean, just think of how many politicians right now, some of which are, are still serving, would have wouldn't be around if if there were just a clear understanding that, yeah, if you do, if you cross this.
00:24:58 This line, if you do anything that can be considered putting your your own, your own personal interests ahead of the interests of the country in a devious way.
00:25:12 I mean, you're gone because you're you're you're essentially, you're an enemy of the people at that point, and it should be pretty trees and.
00:25:19 Right now, treason does have the the death penalty and so.
00:25:22 I think we just need to broaden the the definition of treason to be more realistic.
00:25:29 And you're talking about something that I talk about in a little bit different language, a lot in my videos, which is just our solution as right wingers.
00:25:36 Our primary solution cannot be trying to teach people, it has to be to punish parasitism.
00:25:41 We have to punish.
00:25:42 Rule of law because there are just too many people on this planet.
00:25:46 And of course now with immigration in America right now that have all sorts of incentives and biases and instincts that just they don't want to hear what we're selling.
00:25:55 And of course, we're right.
00:25:56 If you eliminate parasitism and force everybody not to be a parasite, your society gets rich.
00:26:02 But they don't care, right?
00:26:03 And so we have to go into punishing.
00:26:05 And the parasites?
00:26:06 They're not interested in what's being, what's intellectually honest.
00:26:09 So it's really not an argument for them.
00:26:10 They're interested in in winning.
00:26:13 So you can sit there and be one of these ineffective.
00:26:17 People like these, Neo cons, these conservatives on the right that say, huh, what?
00:26:21 If what if that person had been white?
00:26:23 Then what?
00:26:24 And it's like they don't care.
00:26:25 You're you're acting like they care about hypocrisy.
00:26:27 They don't give a **** about hypocrisy.
00:26:29 So making the the moral argument doesn't matter to these people.
00:26:33 They just want to be right.
00:26:34 They're at war.
00:26:36 The the big, the big problem.
00:26:37 The the the right versus left a situation right now is that the left has been at war with the right for maybe forever at least my entire lifetime, and the right has been trying to win a debate.
00:26:52 And you can't.
00:26:54 You can't debate with cancer, you can, well, you can't.
00:26:57 But it's it's you're still gonna die.
00:26:59 It's kind.
00:26:59 Of going to do any good.
00:27:00 Right.
00:27:01 And so I think that's the biggest thing that people in the right need to get over right now.
00:27:05 I mean, even people like Mao and you.
00:27:09 Who's who's, you know, fairly laid back in a lot of these things, has said the time for arguments is over and and and because it is, it's it.
00:27:17 We've already made the case.
00:27:18 The lines already been drawn.
00:27:20 There's not.
00:27:20 Anyone who's who's who's politically engaged at all it, they're not going to be swayed that, I mean, the divide is so wide now.
00:27:29 It's almost impossible to say that there's people riding on the fence and the people riding on the fence are just going to go with whoever wins anyway.
00:27:36 So yeah, it's it's really at a point where we need to start thinking about, I think what happens next, because the divide is is such that there's no reconciling this.
00:27:47 And so that that's, you know, people freak out a lot of.
00:27:48 Yep, Yep.
00:27:50 I think when when you talk about propertarianism or you know sometimes when when I talk about things and and of course you know I have my book which is totally fictional, by the way day of the rope people freak out like, oh, you guys are feds, you're feds.
00:28:04 No, we're not saying that.
00:28:06 You should try to start a civil war.
00:28:09 We're not saying that at all.
00:28:11 We're saying that you can't look at the current situation in our country and think that that's not a very good possible.
00:28:19 And if you're not planning ahead and planning doesn't just mean, oh, I've got, you know, cans of soup and and bullets and whatever and and you know, that's that's part of it.
00:28:29 But you have to have a plan for what comes next and and you have to have a solution to the problem that that, that that originated all this nonsense in the 1st place so.
00:28:40 Yes, completely agreed.
00:28:41 And yeah, I mean just to clarify for myself as well, if the audience isn't already familiar, familiar with me, I always call for peaceful separation.
00:28:48 Cause I think that would be the optimum solution because the two sides can't live together and a lot of what you're talking about is the left doesn't want to listen because it's just against their instinct.
00:28:58 It's against their short term interest.
00:29:00 And they have a head up.
00:29:02 They have a head of Steam going and they're going to start winning all the elections very soon in America just because of.
00:29:08 And when that happens, we're going to have a very volatile situation because if the right wing can't win any more elections, how well are they going to defend what they value?
00:29:17 And the left is not just going to take their foot off the gas and the person.
00:29:21 Elites aren't just.
00:29:21 Going to be like, OK, well, we're just going to relax now and stop doing what we do.
00:29:27 The left is operating in a.
00:29:28 Crazy, Crazy religion and they think of us right wingers as the Satan that needs to be stomped out and.
00:29:36 So peaceful separation would be the optimum solution in my mind, but I also have to warn people I don't.
00:29:42 You know, I think the chances of that happening are actually pretty low because of the psychology.
00:29:46 The left is operating in and the parasitic elites have so much wealth riding on the line.
00:29:51 If they let us separate peacefully, they're going to be giving up tons of money and wealth and power.
00:29:56 Are they going to do that voluntarily?
00:29:58 So then the right wing is going.
00:29:59 To be in a very volatile situation.
00:30:01 And you just have to look at history to know that it's like I I was watching Vox Day there today and he said that, you know, every time you have mass migrations of people like almost without fail or maybe without fail that there is it always ends with conflict.
00:30:16 And we have experienced the largest migration.
00:30:21 Of humans in world history, the migration of of people from the Third world into the Western world is the largest migration of humans in history.
00:30:34 And I had never thought about it like that.
00:30:36 But I mean, I mean, and I don't have, I'd have to look it up to get the exact stats.
00:30:40 But I mean, I can't see how that could possibly be wrong.
00:30:42 If you think about it, cause technology has made this possible that never before could you have millions and millions of people just kind of be be shipped in from around the world into a concentrated.
00:30:54 Area that would just would did not happen before cause it just wasn't possible and and part of it too was you.
00:31:00 Didn't have host.
00:31:01 Societies that would have tolerated it and until now, unfortunately, we've got, you know, the West is just suicidal and just.
00:31:10 Kind of.
00:31:12 You know, it's it's committing suicide right before us.
00:31:14 And so it's something that that I I think is inevitable in a lot of ways.
00:31:19 And again, if there's a peaceful solution, that's awesome.
00:31:23 I would love to see that.
00:31:24 And maybe this talk right here, you know, talking about propertarianism having a an alternative.
00:31:30 Some of of government as as the solution could maybe even lead to a peaceful separation, because you could say, look, we're going to do things this way.
00:31:38 Anyone who wants to, you know, try this new form of government, you know, move.
00:31:42 Here and you know you'll be subject to this new form of government.
00:31:47 And who knows?
00:31:48 I mean, I doubt that will happen, but who knows?
00:31:50 At least it's it's it's worth, you know, giving a shot so.
00:31:54 And just talking, I mean, the other thing I'll say is talking about it also, you know, bringing that into the conversation and you see this happening organically.
00:32:02 Anyway, I think it was Joe Rogan just had a podcast recently or an interview recently on YouTube.
00:32:07 Where he had a Navy SEAL on and they were talking about potential civil war.
00:32:11 And so you see this conversation cropping up just because people are realizing the same thing we're realizing in various ways, which is we can't live together.
00:32:19 The two sides are completely opposed to each other and so, but I think the more we talk about it actually that increases the chances of some kind of a peaceful.
00:32:29 If people start to see, or at least if there's some kind of hostilities that break out in a major way, hopefully it would be shorter because we've already inserted this whole separation meme this whole.
00:32:41 Let's try to avoid Civil War meme and it's coming.
00:32:43 If we don't do something.
00:32:44 About it into the conversation and I think it actually increases the chances of a better outcome at the end like you were saying.
00:32:51 Well, and I and I think the right comes from a position of strength also.
00:32:55 So I mean if if we really just think about it in terms of who has the the, I mean and I hate to, I don't want to be the simple minded people.
00:33:04 They're like, oh, the right has all the guns, so we'd win.
00:33:07 It's not as simple as that.
00:33:08 But there is an element of truth to that that.
00:33:11 We are the the armed side of this.
00:33:13 Divide and not only that, we're also the farmers.
00:33:16 We're the the land owners.
00:33:18 We're the productive people in the society.
00:33:20 So we we come from a position of strength to where if it came down to a diplomatic kind of a situation, really what I mean, what are they going to, what are they going to do if if if we do like a John Galt?
00:33:34 Type of thing and we.
00:33:35 Say, you know, we're just, we're out of here.
00:33:37 I mean, what are they going to do?
00:33:38 They're, you know, Antifa is going to like, throw some, you know, trash cans at us.
00:33:42 I mean, it's it's really not something that.
00:33:44 Pushing hats at.
00:33:45 Us, right.
00:33:46 They're not going to have any choice.
00:33:47 I mean, there's now I think there's like again it is more complicated than that.
00:33:51 You'd have other countries that would kind of step in and and fund different sides just to like you know.
00:33:57 One and you'd also have, you know, like I think there's a reason why MS13, for example, has been allowed to operate in the country as as well as some Middle Eastern gangs that because I think that the left, it realizes this and they kind of want their muscle men to at least exist in the country.
00:34:17 But that you know, that's.
00:34:19 That's it's.
00:34:21 I still think we come from a position of strength.
00:34:23 So we would have the most.
00:34:26 We'd have a say in in what happened.
00:34:28 So anyway.
00:34:29 Yeah, right.
00:34:29 And I'm, I'm going to.
00:34:30 Be doing a.
00:34:30 Video hopefully within the next month or so on doing a a fairly in-depth analysis of what a civil war in America could look like.
00:34:38 I'm gonna be interviewing a a former special forces person that I know and get their take on it.
00:34:46 And just to get peoples mind wrapped around it and and my analysis is the same as yours.
00:34:50 The right is is definitely in a position of strength.
00:34:52 If you think about it, the left and the establishment.
00:34:55 The grassroots left doesn't have guns.
00:34:57 They don't believe in guns for.
00:34:58 The most part?
00:34:59 And then the only enforcement arm of the establishment is the military.
00:35:05 Which, although I will say.
00:35:07 Which is 2/3 right wing.
00:35:08 The military, though the the officer class is very much left wing.
00:35:13 I used to work in DC.
00:35:14 Yeah, it's good. Yeah.
00:35:14 Directly with DoD people and first of all, a lot of them, I mean a lot of them are women, but they're all left wing women.
00:35:21 And and I don't know if that's something that has just recently happened as a result of.
00:35:26 You know, eight years of the Obama administration, but you have a lot of left wing feminist women in charge of now.
00:35:34 Are the people.
00:35:35 Going to follow their orders, probably not, you know, like you said, 2/3 are are right wing.
00:35:38 Yeah, there there'd be a high rate of.
00:35:40 I mean, if there was an actual like, we're gonna go get the right wingers type of command.
00:35:44 Right.
00:35:44 The analysis had been done on this there would be a lot of attrition or blanking on the word right now.
00:35:51 There'd be a lot of people defecting.
00:35:53 There would be a lot of defecting in place.
00:35:56 And so, yeah, I mean, there's a lot we don't have to go into the whole analysis.
00:35:59 But I agree overall the right wing would be in a position of strength.
00:36:02 And that's again why? I mean, even if you sit there and you think there's only a 10% chance that the right would win, that the right would win.
00:36:08 I mean, I don't.
00:36:09 I think it's much.
00:36:09 Higher than that.
00:36:10 But even if that's what you think, isn't it prudent to to be ready to go with something better afterwards and know what we're going to do?
00:36:17 Have a constitution in place, have a better system to ensure that we don't have to keep doing this over and over again?
00:36:23 Every hundred years, 200 years, whatever the case may be.
00:36:26 Right.
00:36:26 And I also think it's it's a selling point in in terms of like again let's say that we want to do the peaceful separation thing and we want people to get on board with like, hey, look, not only do we want to separate ourselves from all this degeneracy in society, it's it's it's a a benefit to have this.
00:36:42 Hey, look at this shiny new ideology that we have that.
00:36:46 Fixes all the problems that led us here and and so that would motivate people that would otherwise just be like, oh, you just want to leave because you hate brown people or whatever.
00:36:56 Right.
00:36:56 And so this gives you something to actually shoot for?
00:37:00 And absolutely.
00:37:02 And there's actually, I mean once you start looking at the Constitution and the the policies that would result from it, there's a lot of selling points or at least a couple of very strong selling points even.
00:37:11 For the average.
00:37:12 You know, person, that's middle of the road.
00:37:16 Alright, it says reconnected, but I don't see.
00:37:17 It back up yet?
00:37:20 Oh, OK, I think it's working.
00:37:23 I'm waiting for it to.
00:37:26 Get going.
00:37:26 All right, I think we're.
00:37:28 It there's probably going to be some lag, but I think we're we're we're at least back online, so not not I think we were probably offline for maybe like 15 seconds or so, so.
00:37:34 OK.
00:37:40 Not a big deal.
00:37:40 OK.
00:37:42 The the only point I was making was that there's you put propertarianism in place.
00:37:47 For example, you get rid of the consumer interest, you get rid of the middle men bankers.
00:37:51 You let people pay off their mortgages in 10 to 15 years instead of 30.
00:37:55 They're not debt slaves anymore throughout their whole lives.
00:37:57 There's gonna be a lot of people that aren't even right wingers that are gonna absolutely love that and they won't fight against.
00:38:02 It because of that.
00:38:04 And of course, if we can get a foothold over any patch of land in America, you know it's the middle of America, or whatever the case would be, and implement something like this very quickly.
00:38:14 We're going to have the highest quality of life in the history.
00:38:16 Of the world. Ever.
00:38:18 And people are going to start taking notice and you know, then we can build from there.
00:38:23 So we just.
00:38:24 Have to SEC.
00:38:26 Alright, we're reconnected again already.
00:38:29 They they have, they have wealth to lend out and that just by virtue of having that wealth that they were born with, they're able to continue to have the wealth and and to increase that wealth and never actually produce anything.
00:38:43 Is there anything in propertarianism that kind of addresses?
00:38:46 That aspect of the banking system that I think a lot of people despise.
00:38:51 Yes, absolutely.
00:38:52 In the constitution.
00:38:53 And I'm trying to remember, it's been a while since I read that section.
00:38:56 But yeah, the Constitution would absolutely do what Kurt Doolittle calls the definition of the economy, which is basically just you're eliminating all of this consumer debt.
00:39:06 And it's not just that bankers have a bunch of money that they're.
00:39:08 Lending out, it's that.
00:39:10 Through through fractional reserve banking specifically.
00:39:13 They're creating money out of thin air and charging interest on it, right?
00:39:17 And so that is, if you look at that system, you study the system, how it works, that is going back to the reciprocity definition.
00:39:24 That is not a fully informed transaction with the populace, cause you go to ask 100 people how it works. 99 of them are not going to have any clue how it works.
00:39:33 And and so they're they're debt slaves and they don't have to be is the bottom line.
00:39:37 We're dead slaves and we don't have to be.
00:39:39 And so you eliminate that whole thing.
00:39:41 All that money, all that wealth, all that, all that money that's going to people just paying interest on on homes or autos or credit cards or whatever.
00:39:52 Could go into something productive in the economy.
00:39:54 Would would boom even?
00:39:56 To a tremendous extent.
00:39:57 So absolutely.
00:39:59 And then as far as well, yeah, I just said it as far as the rule of law preventing something like that happening again.
00:40:05 It you go back to the reciprocity definition and the other part I didn't mention yet about which is.
00:40:11 The third improvement.
00:40:12 In Rule of law for propertarianism.
00:40:15 Is what we call testimonial ISM, which is that people can sue public figures if they lie in public.
00:40:22 So the public figure doesn't have to prove that what they're saying is true, cause that's very hard.
00:40:25 But they just have to demonstrate that they what they're saying passes several falsehood tests that are scientific falsehood tests.
00:40:34 And if they say something that.
00:40:35 Is false and is harmful in any way to any form of property or puts any form of property.
00:40:40 At risk, the people can take them to court and sue them, just like you and I could go sue Chevy Motor Company if they put out a bunch of cars with bad brakes and it hurts people.
00:40:53 And so that's another mechanism that stops all this leftist political movement in the bud and gives you it gives the people another mechanism to protect themselves.
00:40:57 Now, Mike.
00:41:01 My concern with that would be what would you do about people that are constant, would just constantly bring cases against people that just, you know, to try to tie them up in courts all the time so that they can never actually govern because, you know, all these interest groups are always just bringing, oh, well, you're lying about this.
00:41:17 And and even if they're not, they still have to go through this this process to to prove that, you know, that they didn't lie.
00:41:25 Like, how would you, is there anything that prevents that?
00:41:27 From happening or?
00:41:29 So if you lose, you pay the other parties fees.
00:41:33 OK.
00:41:34 So so so.
00:41:36 Getting sensitized very.
00:41:36 You're very expensive to do it.
00:41:37 To not just go do what you're describing and then.
00:41:42 One of the things you're saying is absolutely very true though, which is that public figures would be extremely, extremely careful about what they're saying.
00:41:49 I mean you it wouldn't be nothing like today, right? It'd be very hard to even do 24 hour news.
00:41:54 There'd almost.
00:41:55 I mean, it would have to be straight by the book, yes.
00:41:58 And so.
00:41:59 And the left simply would not be able to tell their lies.
00:42:02 That they use to whip.
00:42:03 People up and it would just nip it right in the ****.
00:42:06 And this is so important because one of the things I talk about is the right wing has a fundamental disadvantage in political advocacy and and getting political movements going and getting political power, which is that we're busy raising families.
00:42:19 Our instinct is not to go harass somebody else to get political power.
00:42:23 Our instinct is to.
00:42:24 Earn by our own merits.
00:42:27 And so where we've got this fundamental disadvantage to the the cat ladies and the people that need this for status and all of this.
00:42:34 And so we have to there as right wingers.
00:42:37 If we let the left get going on March through the institutions, they will be very, very good at it.
00:42:42 So we have to make sure they can't even start and this aspect of allowing public figures to be sued for lying stops them.
00:42:49 It it nips it right in the ****, it stops them from even getting started on that.
00:42:53 OK.
00:42:53 OK, I still think there might be some problems with with the court system and the other.
00:42:59 The other reason I think one of my one of my other fears is with relying so heavily on the judiciary to to take care of a lot of these problems.
00:43:08 It almost well, unless you're you say that the law is so simplified, this wouldn't be a problem, but I I feel like.
00:43:14 Like right now, I mean I got, I got my theblackpill.com Twitter account.
00:43:20 Got got banned for no literally no reason.
00:43:23 Like they said.
00:43:23 Others hate speech in your bio and I look in the bio and it was just it was links it wasn't.
00:43:28 There was nothing that the title of my book was in there, but like that was the only thing that wasn't like, you know, that wasn't proceeding with HTTP, you know, it was all links.
00:43:30 Oh gosh.
00:43:38 And of course, you know, you appeal it and you get nothing.
00:43:41 Back, I feel like if I understood the law or if I had.
00:43:46 You know the money to spend.
00:43:47 I could probably sue Twitter and say, look, in a weird way, you're defaming me because you're saying that I said hate speech.
00:43:54 That's the reason you're giving for to take away my Twitter account.
00:43:59 So in in effect, you're publicly stating that I've done something that I haven't done and.
00:44:05 In addition to all these other arguments you could make about, you know, affecting your free speech or whatever you know, of course you always have the private business people, but I think you could still make a case.
00:44:16 If I had the funding, but because I don't, I'm just some normal guy.
00:44:20 I don't have a lawyer.
00:44:21 I don't have the ability to bring a lawsuit against Twitter.
00:44:26 I I feel like propertarianism in a way might advantage a lot of these people who who are lawyers or have lawyers.
00:44:36 Have the ability to bring.
00:44:38 These these legal cases, financially, they're they're able to do it.
00:44:43 So unless the the only solution I can think about the top of my head and let you have a better answer, but unless the law is so simplified or the process is so simplified, you don't need to have someone who's been going to school for eight years.
00:44:58 In order to be a lawyer.
00:45:00 Yeah, I see what you're saying, because basically what you're getting at is there's a certain type of person that has an advantage in the legal system.
00:45:08 If they have more assets and more money to be able to just go sue people, right, so under proper tourism as I understand it.
00:45:15 The average Joe can go sue Barack Obama or whoever, you know, like Barack Obama stood up and said white.
00:45:22 Police officers are.
00:45:23 Targeting young, young black men and shortly thereafter, a black man gets out a rifle and shoots 4 cops in Dallas.
00:45:30 Right.
00:45:31 Right.
00:45:31 Well, anybody, especially the families of those police officers, could go sue.
00:45:35 Barack Obama for that. So.
00:45:37 The I think the the mitigating factor there to what you're saying is, I mean, if you're going to try to somebody that doesn't have any assets, that's saying something in.
00:45:45 Public then you.
00:45:46 Know maybe you just make their life.
00:45:48 A living hell.
00:45:49 But if they've got a lot of assets, they got a lot to lose and they're going to be careful about what they say because if even if I'm average Joe and I don't have that many resources, I go to a lawyer and I say, listen, this is my case.
00:45:58 If they think it's a good case.
00:46:00 They're gonna take it because they want their cut of the winnings, just like they would do it if they're suing Chevy for putting out cars with faulty brakes.
00:46:07 So I think those things can be motivated mitigated, but again this is one of those topics I really want to get into with Kurt.
00:46:13 When I interview him so I encourage people to to check in for that too, because I I like how.
00:46:19 You're thinking, I mean, these are the.
00:46:21 These are the practical implications.
00:46:22 How would this work?
00:46:23 And these are the types of questions that.
00:46:24 People ask and so.
00:46:26 We wanted to.
00:46:27 Do a good job of answering them as much as we can and and think through them.
00:46:31 And you know, and this is still something just so people know that are listening, this is still.
00:46:35 Something that isn't.
00:46:36 100% fleshed out, yet it it's it's it's not quite a a zygote anymore, but it is probably. I'd say it's still a fetus and it's, you know, like Kurt hasn't finished the book on on propertarianism.
00:46:51 So to speak, or actually literally, I think he's actually.
00:46:54 The book on proper charism, right?
00:46:56 The book will probably be finished last because it has to be unassailable.
00:46:59 It has to be complete.
00:47:00 It has to be.
00:47:01 You know, that's the thing that everybody's going to refer to, and it'll probably be very technical from what court is saying.
00:47:06 But I mean the basics of it is pretty much in.
00:47:08 Place and a.
00:47:08 Lot of it is and you know, thinking through and answering the questions.
00:47:12 The type of things that you're asking, so which is great, which is why I love.
00:47:15 This type of conversation.
00:47:17 Alright, well, let's go to the 4th one.
00:47:19 You said there was the the four basic tenants.
00:47:22 Ohh OK got you.
00:47:24 Ohh yeah.
00:47:24 So I pretty much covered.
00:47:26 So the three improvements in Rule of law would be the full definition of property.
00:47:29 The definition of reciprocity, and if it doesn't meet that definition, it's parasitic.
00:47:34 And then the third one is the.
00:47:37 Ability to Sue public figures for lying, and then so that's the three improvements in Rule of law and then the improvement in the our system of government would be that the legislation has to be approved by the judiciary to make sure that it's not parasitic to make sure that it meets the definition of reciprocity.
00:47:53 And so there's a lot more meat there.
00:47:55 If you go study it and get into it, but that's the basic I think that's the easiest way for me to introduce kind of a picture of how it would work in practical reality to people.
00:48:04 So I pretty much covered those those aspects there.
00:48:07 All right, cool.
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00:48:59 You know, like they're they demonetize almost all of my videos, and in fact, so I was talking to Vincent James.
00:49:09 I was like, yeah, they keep demonetizing my videos.
00:49:12 He he's he's a lot more white pilled than I am.
00:49:14 He's a little more optimistic.
00:49:15 He's like.
00:49:15 Yeah, just you.
00:49:16 Know e-mail support and let him know.
00:49:17 Maybe they'll white list.
00:49:18 You know your videos.
00:49:19 And I was like, I don't think.
00:49:20 So but I I went ahead and did it.
00:49:22 Just why not?
00:49:23 And I didn't get a response and then all of a sudden out of nowhere one of my old videos got put into.
00:49:27 Limited state was.
00:49:29 Like, alright, and it was, it was just a video.
00:49:33 Literally all I did is I.
00:49:34 Read the transcript.
00:49:36 The translated transcript of a Putin speech and like that, was it like?
00:49:40 That's the video and and they put it in limited state has like, I guess there's my answer.
00:49:45 So yeah, that's that's how we have to survive is, you know, the people from Patreon and and people to giving super chats.
00:49:52 That's that keeps, you know, the.
00:49:54 The lights on, quite literally in my case.
00:49:57 Thank you.
00:49:58 Thank you.
00:49:59 And then Texas veteran $2.00 tap Tap tap is this thing on I well, I think people can hear us, so hopefully.
00:50:08 You can hear us too. Forrest Gump. Get a grump rather $25. Keep up the good work. This is an excellent way of quantifying the issues in society in a way that normies can understand.
00:50:20 And yeah, that's The thing is we need to.
00:50:22 It's good to have the the Super autism, autism people like.
00:50:28 Current workout all the.
00:50:30 Details, but at the end of the day, we need to talk about this a lot and and if propertarianism is the direction that that the right decides to go in, we need to to be familiar with it enough to where we can boil it down.
00:50:44 So the average person so we can go up to the average person.
00:50:48 And kind of like, just break it down real quickly.
00:50:51 In the same way that the founding fathers did, by the way, you know, you had they they they had to communicate with a bunch of farmers and let them know, like, hey, look, we're gonna tell the English to go screw themselves and they and these are people that have families in England and.
00:51:07 And a lot of.
00:51:07 People were still loyal to the crown up until.
00:51:12 Probably many of them the rest of their lives that grudgingly accepted the new government.
00:51:16 But like a lot of people, were proud Englishmen.
00:51:18 Even at the the conclusion of.
00:51:21 The Revolutionary War. So there's you need to communicate to people. Stephen beast. $2.00 the Epstein plea deal was just ruled illegal. That is, that's that's awesome. That is the best news I've heard all day.
00:51:37 Wow, I didn't.
00:51:38 I hadn't seen that.
00:51:38 That is, that's fantastic because that was, that was a ******* travesty.
00:51:44 Like that was.
00:51:45 I mean that in that right there is why precisely we're having so many problems.
00:51:50 Our society.
00:51:51 Is that right now money gets you out of anything.
00:51:54 Even having a freaking island specifically designed for for Moloch worship and and and child abuse, you can get out of that with with a little bit of money.
00:52:04 Now what's going to be interesting to see though.
00:52:06 Cause there's a lot of big names attached to that.
00:52:09 That whole system of abuse there and and.
00:52:12 And I'm sorry, I hate to say guys Trump is on that list Trump.
00:52:16 Rode on the plane.
00:52:17 I don't think he specifically went to the island.
00:52:22 Trump isn't exactly he didn't.
00:52:24 It's not like he didn't know who Epstein was or what he was up to.
00:52:27 So I mean, hopefully nothing too unsavory went on there, but it just people got to be aware of that.
00:52:34 But I'll look into that and I might might do a video on that later.
00:52:37 So that's awesome news.
00:52:39 Alright, then we got wild, crazy actuary.
00:52:42 5 or 499 John Mark what a propertarianism. Or would a propertarianism involve?
00:52:51 Some kind of hard money like gold, et cetera.
00:52:53 Black pill.
00:52:54 I love your book.
00:52:55 Can't wait for.
00:52:55 The sequel, what he says, what a proper tearing ISM involved.
00:53:00 Some kind of hard money like gold, et cetera.
00:53:05 Ohh the the OK I see.
00:53:07 Yeah would would it?
00:53:08 Be a gold based currency with proper.
00:53:10 Sharing doesn't require that.
00:53:10 We'll be we'll be.
00:53:10 Going back to gold standard, whatever.
00:53:13 From what I understand and then I, I don't consider myself to be the world's greatest expert on economics in this, but this would be my take as well.
00:53:20 But from what Kurt?
00:53:21 Said going back to the gold standard would not really be necessary to fix the problems, because there's definitely advantages to having money.
00:53:29 Just be, you know, either numbers in a computer or dollars or whatever, something that's not a limited scarce resource like gold.
00:53:37 But the key is you.
00:53:38 You get rid of the parasitism in the financial industry.
00:53:41 Get rid of the the debt slavery aspect and and then you're.
00:53:46 So for example, I'll just give a quick example instead of saying the financial crisis right, the banks got this big bailout and the idea is we're gonna give you all this money and then you're going to go and lend it to customers again.
00:53:59 So why are the banks even in that equation?
00:54:02 Why didn't they just distribute the money to the people instead of distributing it to banks, who then mostly held on to it to shore?
00:54:07 Up their books or whatever.
00:54:09 So it's just taking out the middleman and reducing the parasitism, or eliminating the parasitism aspect of it, and that really fixes the problem.
00:54:17 You don't have to go back to gold standard to fix the problem. From what I understand, and they're probably better people to defend that than myself. But that's my take on it. And from what I understand, Kurt Doolittle's take on.
00:54:29 OK. That makes sense. That makes sense. All right, we got Rico, USA 999. Love your channel off topic.
00:54:36 But your breakdown of movies and social commentary is extraordinary.
00:54:39 Great Boomer deception was incredible.
00:54:41 Snagged your book on Amazon.
00:54:42 Looking forward to it.
00:54:44 And and getting my book is a great way to support me and.
00:54:48 It's from what I've been told, at least people like it, so that's good.
00:54:52 80S nostalgia Guy $5 under propertarianism. Who would own the TV stations they have been used to push propaganda.
00:55:02 I don't think correct me if I'm wrong.
00:55:04 I don't think that it would change.
00:55:06 It would be the same people they're just now.
00:55:08 They're legally liable for what they're saying.
00:55:09 I mean, that's right.
00:55:11 Or is that?
00:55:11 Correct, correct.
00:55:12 Yeah. So.
00:55:13 We wouldn't necessarily go take it from them, but if they if they spew lies, they're gonna be get taken to court a bunch and lose a ton of money and they're gonna stop doing it real quick.
00:55:21 Right.
00:55:22 So what now?
00:55:23 Let me ask you this.
00:55:24 Let's say you get in a scenario and this is totally just hypothetical stuff, but it's something my brain went to.
00:55:31 They get in a scenario where no one, no, no one wants to take on that kind of liability anymore.
00:55:36 They get to a point where, like, yeah, being in the news is too dangerous, because if I have some loose cannon, you know, reporter make up some crap and now I'm liable and it becomes like this thing where instead of having.
00:55:51 Like all these different networks and all these alt media, because you're liable for everything you say, there's, like, almost no news whatsoever.
00:55:58 What it then at that point have almost become.
00:56:01 Like a government agency or, I mean, because that would have its own problems.
00:56:05 But you know that's that's that's one thing that that's not an insignificant fear to to have like, what if it becomes so libelous that you it's not profitable anymore?
00:56:20 To where?
00:56:20 You have to be.
00:56:21 You're walking on egg shells.
00:56:22 About what you say, which I would say it's a better problem to have.
00:56:25 Than what we have.
00:56:25 Now but.
00:56:26 Right.
00:56:27 The the other thing I'll say about this is.
00:56:31 There are ways of speaking to where you're not making truth claims, but you're still talking about an issue, and so people would learn that very quickly.
00:56:38 So for example, instead of me standing up and saying, you know, racism is the reason that blacks aren't doing as well as white people on average in America financially, that's a truth claim, right?
00:56:48 I mean, I'm going to get in trouble for saying that because I'm lying by omission.
00:56:51 I'm not passing these tests.
00:56:52 But if I say.
00:56:54 I from what I can tell.
00:56:57 Racism is one of the possible causes of why black people in America are not doing as well as white people on average.
00:57:06 And you know, we can have a discussion about that.
00:57:09 So that would probably, I mean I'm not going to say for certain, but that would probably be OK to say under this system because you're not making a big truth.
00:57:18 And if they try to take you to court, it's not really a false statement.
00:57:22 I mean, you're saying it's one.
00:57:23 Of the reasons.
00:57:26 And so there's ways of talking about issues cause other people say, how do you even talk about an issue?
00:57:30 How do you even talk about climate change?
00:57:32 How do you even talk about whatever the case may be without getting in trouble?
00:57:36 But there's ways of talking about it without making grand truth claims, and people would learn how to do it pretty quick, is what I've.
00:57:42 And you could.
00:57:43 You could even say it's my perception that you know, and then you can say pretty much anything because no one can prove that your perception isn't that.
00:57:43 Heard her?
00:57:52 And that's why it's called testimonial ISM, because when you get dragged into court to give your testimony, you're saying, I mean, what you're supposed to do is say what you saw.
00:57:59 This is what I saw.
00:58:00 This is my perception and that's a very different thing than saying this is the truth and.
00:58:05 Therefore we need.
00:58:05 To do this.
00:58:06 So yeah, that's the idea.
00:58:08 OK. And then Next up, we got Nevada hunting bear $5.
00:58:12 Thanks, Devin.
00:58:13 Interesting convo love the box of chocolates video hadn't seen that for 10 years.
00:58:18 Makes you realize how much we were brainwashed as kids.
00:58:20 Yeah, there's a lot of when I do, I do a lot of like reviews of movies and a lot of them from the 90s and there's a lot that I I remember not liking when I saw them, but I couldn't really articulate it.
00:58:32 Because I was much younger and and now when I see them it's just like ohh those dirty ********.
00:58:37 I know exactly what they're doing here.
00:58:39 I think it's important to to to understand where we got, how we got to where we're at today.
00:58:45 You have to understand the role that that fiction plays in our society and that's and and having.
00:58:54 Having a I'm trying to think of a A a propertarianism way of putting this a having a another having a culture within your culture or a group within your country that is is somewhat separate from from the the wider culture.
00:59:13 Create all of your fiction.
00:59:14 All the time is is is never a good thing, and that's pretty much what we have in this country.
00:59:20 There's never really been a.
00:59:25 A white Christian entertainment industry, really.
00:59:28 I mean, there, there just hasn't been.
00:59:31 And then we got Noah Sherwood $10 and doesn't say anything. So thanks, Noah Lucas cry SEC $2.00.
00:59:41 Vic Mignogna is guilty.
00:59:44 His defenders are wrong.
00:59:45 I'm not sure who that is.
00:59:47 Do you know who Vic Mignogna Mcnugget is?
00:59:50 Have have not heard of that one.
00:59:51 No. OK.
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01:00:44 Alright, so that's all the Super chats.
01:00:46 So one.
01:00:48 So another thing I was thinking about.
01:00:51 In terms of.
01:00:53 Having having a system that's defining property as specifically as PROPERTARIANISM would have to.
01:01:05 What are some things that you think that people?
01:01:09 Like I talked, kind of like about what?
01:01:11 Before, where the generational wealth is preserved for the upper class.
01:01:16 But you know, the people that their quality of life isn't preserved because it's not defined.
01:01:20 What are some other things that you can think of or that maybe proper tourism focuses on?
01:01:25 That's not really defined in our current system?
01:01:28 Some, and therefore it's not preserved what what are some specific things that you think that people haven't thought of like, wow, we would actually be able to preserve this, you know, like in the case of the the, the quality of life.
01:01:42 So obviously the example you gave earlier of of a safe environment in a neighborhood is a great example.
01:01:49 Also, cohesiveness there's been studies that show that when people who are different from each other live around each other, they don't like it very much.
01:01:59 Even the immigrants who are new don't actually like.
01:02:01 Very much.
01:02:02 They would prefer to live around people like them, but for the immigrants to America, it's the financial benefits outweigh the cost of living around people that are not like them.
01:02:10 But social cohesion goes down, social trust goes down, so trust would be another one.
01:02:16 That's it's like an abstract concept, almost.
01:02:18 It's an intangible, but you cannot have a first world nation.
01:02:22 Without high trust and high trust is created by by stamping out parasitism.
01:02:27 So that's another one.
01:02:28 Another one I would say is the human capital of our.
01:02:33 Which can be roughly measured by the average IQ of the nation.
01:02:37 So there's a great book by Doctor Garrett Jones called The Hive Mind.
01:02:41 It talks about why your nation's IQ or your nation's average IQ is even more important than your own individual IQ for your quality of life. So if you're importing people from other nations.
01:02:52 As an average IQ of 85 to 90 into a nation with.
01:02:55 An average IQ of 100.
01:02:57 You are doing several different things to your nation which are not good.
01:03:03 It's the equivalent of telling the CEO of a company you can't hire from Harvard anymore.
01:03:07 Not that Harvard's that great anymore. But you know what I mean. You've got to hire from Community College down the street.
01:03:11 They're going to say, wait a minute.
01:03:12 You're stealing from me.
01:03:13 You're reducing the quality of my human capital.
01:03:16 And I'm not saying this to be mean.
01:03:17 This is just.
01:03:18 Scientific reality.
01:03:19 So that's just another intangible or commonly owned form of property, which is the human capital of our nation.
01:03:27 That proper terminism would allow us to defend.
01:03:29 So I mean, you could almost go.
01:03:30 On endlessly with.
01:03:31 This, but there's just so many things that this could apply to, and that's the beauty of it is that it's not reliant upon one person making all the rules, right?
01:03:40 A strong man saying you can't do this.
01:03:42 You can't do that.
01:03:43 Can't do the.
01:03:43 Other it's it's hard.
01:03:45 It's hard to scale that.
01:03:47 But when you have this in Rule.
01:03:48 Of law it it scales because the people can just bring grievances as they have them and get it taken care of that way.
01:03:56 So set the seven with $2.00 has a really good question. He just said what about ***********? And I think what he means is there's a way you could say that *********** is a.
01:04:10 A net negative for the society, right?
01:04:12 But obviously the, you know, the pornographers aren't going to think that how, how do you think that that would go down like in terms of the way that?
01:04:21 Propertarianism defines something either as a net negative or a net positive there.
01:04:27 There are going to be these things like *********** where you know you can kind of go either way with it depending on on.
01:04:33 You know, it's really it's hard to really say absolutely, it's bad or absolutely it's it's good unless there's maybe some other.
01:04:41 Moral code, you know, outside of propertarianism that's informing that.
01:04:45 Like, you know what, Christianity or or what is it, the universal?
01:04:51 The the thing that Molyneux keeps trying to push if there's not some kind because there's going to be things that are almost.
01:04:58 I mean you can make the scientific argument against ***********, but you can also do it.
01:05:03 For what?
01:05:03 What's what's, what's your take on that?
01:05:06 That's a good question.
01:05:07 My brain is kind of doing the same thing yours is is which yours is doing.
01:05:10 Which is OK, you know how.
01:05:13 How would we process this within property and rule of law?
01:05:16 Is there a violation of reciprocity anywhere?
01:05:18 Is there parasitism on some form of property?
01:05:21 So basically what Propertarianism says is?
01:05:24 Universal morality, or rather, let's say, correctly, universal immorality can be defined as parasitism or violations of reciprocity.
01:05:34 And so if you're not violating reciprocity, if you're not being parasitic, you can do whatever you want. So then the $1,000,000 question is, is *********** in some way shape or form parasitic upon some form of proper?
01:05:47 40 So that's a tough one.
01:05:49 Honestly, I'm not sure how I would process that, but I'll give you an example.
01:05:52 I wonder if you could make the argument that almost no *********** be produced because the women involved would have to be informed and you know, because they would.
01:05:53 Of a little bit.
01:05:53 Go ahead.
01:06:01 I mean, let's face it, the women that are in *********** right now are usually not the most informed people on Earth.
01:06:08 As we saw with the Hannah Hayes incident.
01:06:11 Yeah, that could be that could be the angle and like, if I'm a father and my daughter gets caught up in *********** under proper tourism, I could picture somebody, you know, a father bringing a lawsuit against the company that's producing that.
01:06:22 And saying you're, you know, you're destroying my lineage here.
01:06:25 You're right now imposing a cost on something that's valuable to me, which is my genes, which it leads into.
01:06:32 The other quick example is going to throw out there, which is the homosexuality thing.
01:06:35 The right wing has been kind of stuck in this mode in the past of either the Christians saying it's a sin which a lot of people don't care about because they're not Christians.
01:06:44 Right.
01:06:44 Or us just kind of saying it's icky.
01:06:46 We don't like it.
01:06:47 You know, we're having an instinctive reaction against it, whereas propertarianism gives us the language to.
01:06:52 Today actually what it's doing, you know, if you want to go in your bedroom, you know, and do whatever you want in private.
01:06:56 That's one thing, but if you're going to bring it out into the Commons into public, now you're affecting our children, and that's affecting a form of property we value, which is the propagation of our genes through the generations.
01:07:09 And so it gives us a scientific and legal language to talk about it, if that makes sense.
01:07:14 No, I think I think you're right on that.
01:07:15 All right, so we got a few more super chats.
01:07:21 Or Nega Web $2.00 any opinion on no more news? Adam green. I've. I've talked about that before. I think that he he raises some good points. I don't think he's crazy. Everything like that. But I think it might be a little more complicated than just worrying about.
01:07:40 The religious motivations of Zionists in in terms of.
01:07:44 Of what's controlling or what's informing the direction that our country is going.
01:07:49 And I think that's certainly a part of it.
01:07:51 But I think it's a little more complicated than just that.
01:07:54 And and I think you know Adam Green for all I know he he thinks that too he's just decided to focus on the the Zionism aspect of it.
01:08:02 And I and I think you know I think that's great.
01:08:04 If he wants to.
01:08:06 Let people know I've certainly learned a few things by watching his videos.
01:08:09 Things that I didn't know about before, and I think it's crap that that he's getting, he does and he got censored.
01:08:16 A lot of his videos get put in limited state.
01:08:18 Ryan Dawson.
01:08:19 You know, he got kicked off of YouTube yesterday.
01:08:23 So by the way, definitely go to bit shoot and subscribe to him if if you are a fan of Ryan Dawson, that's how he made his money was YouTube.
01:08:32 He's been on YouTube for like 20 years.
01:08:35 Or not 20 years like 10 years though, and and all of his video he had, like 1000 videos or something, and now he's just gone.
01:08:44 And I think that's going to happen more and more to people that that are on the right and we'll end up getting forced into other platforms anyway, but and we'll just have to explore where we can actually be profitable.
01:08:55 And and and actually.
01:08:56 Do that. Let's see here we got Darth Killham $5.00. So would it be a split from USA? Like Richard Spencer plan or this nation? Just racial divisions and deportation. I I think what he's asking I could be wrong.
01:09:16 I think he's.
01:09:17 Asking would if there was a peaceful divide, would it be just on on racial lines or would you say anyone who who thinks they're they can adhere to propertarianism you, you're welcome to come within our borders, but then if you know you'll be deported if you end up, I guess not.
01:09:37 Going along, how would how?
01:09:38 How would?
01:09:39 How is it?
01:09:40 In other words, is propertarianism?
01:09:42 Have a racial element to it, I.
01:09:46 Well, we propertarians would say that just as a general principle ethno nationalism for all is the ideal because as you were saying earlier, anytime you start doing heavy mixing, you know, people are ethnocentric, you get a lot of conflict, et cetera.
01:10:01 So that's a general principle.
01:10:02 Now obviously in America to just go back to pure white or whatever would require a lot of deportation, as he's saying.
01:10:10 So not that that's impossible, but it might be pretty hard to get the political will up to do.
01:10:15 That So what I always say is as of right now, there's several different options and I actually want to do a video in the future where I'm going through the different options, but just so people have an idea.
01:10:25 If you were to do an ideological split, I think you would end up with something around 80% white people, maybe 20%, non white, something like that, as right wingers.
01:10:35 Something around there, so you know that's tolerable if you ask me.
01:10:40 I don't feel like it has to be 100% white necessarily, but what I like the way Kurt Doolittle said it recently, he said you have a menu of options, and as long as you're moving toward the options, you know you can clarify it at a later point.
01:10:54 Which one actually ends up working out best?
01:10:56 But I think it is good to have the the options in mind and I honestly don't know.
01:11:00 You know, it's hard to say what an ideal would be at this point.
01:11:03 It might have to be determined at a later, later time.
01:11:06 OK. And then Michigan outlaw $2.00, thanks for the great topic and conversation guys.
01:11:12 Let's see here. Noah Sherwood, $5. Please prep for mass censorship. Have all content backed up and downloadable. Will have to use flash drives to distribute at some point.
01:11:24 God save us all.
01:11:25 That's not an impossible future.
01:11:27 I and just for the record, I do.
01:11:28 I have a bit shoot account too.
01:11:31 So anytime I upload a video to YouTube.
01:11:33 Automatically goes to bit shoot. Obviously I keep local copies too. If if I get knocked off of every platform I will, you know, it'll come down to, you know, blackpill.com will be where you have to go. And then if I get my hosting or whatever else taking taking.
01:11:50 Way there will be other ways, whether it's it's broadcasting or shortwave pirate radio stations or something like that.
01:11:59 But yeah, it's it's entirely possible they they have the Internet cut off switch now in the White House and not they'll they'll use that necessarily.
01:12:07 But there's they have the ability to take anyone out.
01:12:10 And they in.
01:12:11 Fact they probably have the ability to essentially shadow ban you, so you don't even know that you've been silenced.
01:12:17 You know they could.
01:12:18 They could.
01:12:18 They could shadow ban my.
01:12:20 My my channel and have the view count go up and I would think everything's great. Like, Oh yeah, the 50,000 people watched this video and it was really it was like 2 because, you know, they make sure that I have no way of knowing.
01:12:33 They could even have AI writing comments, so I think I mean you guys could be, I mean, I'm not saying I believe that, but that's that's a possible.
01:12:40 You know, like there there's ways they, I mean they have that AI that just they were talking about that Elon Musk Company created.
01:12:48 And they didn't release it because they thought it would be too dangerous because it was too realistic.
01:12:54 And so that that tells you something that that's like some open source thing, that they're that they're working on, that they were going to release to the public.
01:13:01 Until they were like **** this could.
01:13:03 Really. **** ** our society. So if they have that, I mean, I'm sure there's other AI's.
01:13:08 Out there and not even necessarily from our government, maybe from other governments.
01:13:12 So that's that's a very possible future.
01:13:16 I think if it ever gets to that point.
01:13:19 We'll have.
01:13:20 We'll have that that at that point it'll be separation.
01:13:22 You know, I don't think it's.
01:13:23 Going to be like we're living in some dystopia where, you know, 1984, where everyone's just going to take it. I.
01:13:25 It's going to, yeah.
01:13:29 Don't think that's gonna.
01:13:30 It'll backfire.
01:13:31 Right, I think.
01:13:31 It'll backfire the more.
01:13:32 They do it.
01:13:33 People will at that point be like, OK, that's enough. We got among Smithy 499, the parasites will never allow us to go peacefully, get tough, get armed, get a white girl pregnant now and reasonably good advice.
01:13:51 Phoenix Fire 101085 dollars. I've heard black radical groups claim that white Americans will survive the fall of the West after going into *******. Is this probable your thoughts?
01:14:07 Is, I think, what he's asking.
01:14:09 Is that there will be a period where non whites will enslave.
01:14:13 Us, I think is is.
01:14:15 We're enslaved black people.
01:14:17 No, the whites.
01:14:18 So I mean, I think it says I've heard black radical groups claim that white Americans will survive the fall of the West after going into *******.
01:14:26 So I think the the, the Europeans will be enslaved by the black radicals or whoever.
01:14:33 And then.
01:14:34 That's how we'll survive.
01:14:36 I have a I mean, I don't think that will happen at all.
01:14:38 I I I don't think there's ever been.
01:14:42 Well, I don't know.
01:14:43 I I could say the pens because you had.
01:14:47 You had Europeans getting enslaved by Arabs at at certain points in history, but it's not something that's happened.
01:14:54 I don't see.
01:14:55 I mean, I don't.
01:14:55 Me personally, I don't see whites getting enslaved.
01:14:57 I see whites just ceasing to exist because they get outbred or something like that.
01:15:01 What? What are your?
01:15:02 Thoughts. I I agree that that they won't be enslaved. And I I I don't think the white people are going to be. I mean worst case scenario is we slide into Brazil 2.0 because the right wing never.
01:15:15 Right back, I think.
01:15:17 No, I think that's very, very, very likely, unfortunately.
01:15:21 That's my nightmare.
01:15:21 It's it's, it's.
01:15:22 It's either that or the.
01:15:23 Yeah, it's either that or the right wing fights, but I'm.
01:15:25 I keep going back to, I think, and again, we're not calling for this, but I think there's gonna be too many people on the right wing that just fight back because the left is not going to be able to help themselves from you.
01:15:37 Look how the.
01:15:37 I mean, they called turning point USA.
01:15:40 People which are like really mild.
01:15:42 Right wingers, you know Nazis, they're just dehumanizing.
01:15:45 And when they start winning all the elections and can do whatever they want, they're not going to be able to hold back.
01:15:51 So that's why I think.
01:15:52 That's gonna it's it's unlikely to just kind of slide.
01:15:55 I think there's going to be some kind of.
01:15:56 A A shake out.
01:15:57 Well, and it's like you've said and and I I think you even have a video about this where you've talked about the reason we'll come to this inevitability is that they they see us as evil, they it's a religious thing with them.
01:16:11 And I think there's something to be said for that because I think.
01:16:15 That human beings have evolved to think of the world in terms of religion, and every time the left comes in and erases religion or religion from the equation.
01:16:29 Genocide happens like every every ******* time like the left gets in power, they they.
01:16:36 You know, and they're they're atheists.
01:16:37 They get in power and they genocide.
01:16:41 And and because they have to cause, if you let religion exist as a leftist, you're you're allowing there to be a power that is above the state you're allowing there to be a moral code that's different than this moral code that they want to enforce.
01:16:57 They're giving authority to something else.
01:16:59 And you can't.
01:17:00 Have that, and have leftism.
01:17:03 Now, here's actually, here's one thing I'd like to hear, and I know you're not Kurt Doolittle.
01:17:07 I have.
01:17:08 Heard some Christians or are upset about some of the things that Kurt Doolittle has said because he's criticized Christianity for allowing the West to fall.
01:17:19 And I don't think that's totally unfair because.
01:17:23 I mean, let's face it that there there was the the Christian majority, but I would, I would argue personally that the erosion of the, the Puritan people that I mean that started the country that allowed for the free society to exist.
01:17:38 Like my last video I talked about this where one of the reasons why people were self policing.
01:17:44 Was that they were afraid to go to hell.
01:17:46 And once you erase that and no one thinks there's, like a sky daddy looking over your shoulder to make sure you're not doing anything bad that humans will revert to just being self interested ******** and hedonistic and and whatnot.
01:18:02 So I think that without religion at all.
01:18:06 Is it possible if there is some kind of universal moral code that people go by?
01:18:12 Yeah, but at that point, it's still a religion.
01:18:15 It's just called something else.
01:18:17 What are your views on that?
01:18:20 Yeah, that's a very interesting topic and it's been a hot topic in profiteering circles recently because Propertarianism got popular way faster than we expected, just basically cause my YouTube channel blew up way faster than we expected.
01:18:34 And so we were kind of faced with all these questions.
01:18:38 So one of the things that that Christians.
01:18:39 Kind of came across with Propertarianism is, hey, wait a minute.
01:18:43 You know, if you're saying public figures can be sued for lying, what exactly are the tests here?
01:18:48 And come can what we say about supernatural things in God and and the Bible or whatever, even if it's not Christianity and.
01:18:55 Is this going to pass the tests and so the answer is a lot of it probably would not pass the test.
01:19:02 Now, it wouldn't necessarily be a problem unless you're trying to be parasitic.
01:19:06 So the problem with with Christianity, and of course not all Christians are like this.
01:19:10 But there's a big fat open door in Christianity for this, which is that the.
01:19:17 And if there's, there's several.
01:19:19 If you can go through four or five points that Kurt Doodle Kurt Doolittle lists that the Christian ethic is actually fantastic.
01:19:25 It's the optimum strategy for in Group, but as soon as you put it to an out group that is not going to reciprocate, it's suicidal, so it's it's universalism so that what color is trying to do.
01:19:32 Right.
01:19:36 He's he's trying to shut the door.
01:19:38 Completely to parasites forever.
01:19:41 That's what he's trying to do.
01:19:42 So he's like, how do I shut this down without ******* off the Christians and the religious people, right?
01:19:47 So he's been on Facebook.
01:19:49 You know, last couple of weeks running tests, as he calls it, just, you know, making statements and seeing what Christians reactions are.
01:19:56 But at the end of the day, the conclusions were coming.
01:19:58 Is basically, you know, Christians, the Christians and the non Christian right wingers.
01:20:04 We need each other right now.
01:20:05 So if you'll support our law will support your will, you know, defend your right to have your religion and and and then as far as your question you're asking, can you have morality without?
01:20:16 Pigeon. I think most of us propertarians would say there is definitely a demand and probably a good portion of the population needs a quote, UN quote, religion.
01:20:28 But does that religion have to be supernatural?
01:20:30 Could it just be mindfulness, stoicism, something like that?
01:20:34 That doesn't contain supernatural?
01:20:36 Statements, yes, but you know, we also recognize we're not going to get all the Christians to just give up their religion, and they're not going to get us to all just become Christians immediately.
01:20:46 So in the practical situation we're in right now, you know, let's fight together and we'll cut up the parasitism.
01:20:52 And I think proper training, when you look at it, it can do a pretty good job.
01:20:56 Of cutting out the parasitism and the universalism danger aspect of Christianity, while still letting them, you know, practice their religion.
01:21:05 So that's kind of where we're at on that, but it's a fresh topic, so don't necessarily take it as as the final word for me on that.
01:21:11 Yeah, cause that could get sticky cause if if you're you could you know for example have a preacher say.
01:21:16 Yeah, God told me. If you don't send me $100, you know, like the televangelist used to do in the in the 80s, like, you know, like, you have to send $100 or he's gonna strike me down and and hurry, quick send me money and or even just. I mean, there's some of these mega churches today that do similar things, are just less.
01:21:32 That's about it.
01:21:33 So in a propertarianism system you could say, oh, look, this guy is being parasitic and and but at the same time and then now you're infringing on.
01:21:44 I mean, if people want to send him 100 bucks, you know, it's kind of like it's voluntary and I mean, but at the same time, you're like, but he's lying. And so so it kind of gets this.
01:21:53 Weird thing.
01:21:54 So you almost have to have like an exemption for religion and but then you'd have to also have a a mechanism that would.
01:22:02 Event people from just defining all lying as part of their religion, you know, like Oh no, it's primary religion to be able to lie to people when I want, you know, like cause then you just have that kind of thing going on.
01:22:12 I think personally, and I'm agnostic, I I you know, I kind of ride the fence a little bit, not because I don't want to, you know, pick a side.
01:22:19 I just don't, you know, I believe in truth and I and I don't have anything that's confirmed.
01:22:23 One way or the other, if there's a God and and I I do see the advantages though of like you see a lot of.
01:22:32 These groups that we're competing against, they have the glue that holds them together.
01:22:37 You know, Islam is a perfect example is is their religion or you could even say, you know, Jews like even the, the, the, the, the non religious Jews, the secular Jews, they still have.
01:22:52 This this culture that they that that comes from the religion.
01:22:57 And so I think having that Christianity is is a powerful.
01:23:03 Glue that could hold Western civilization together.
01:23:07 Because I know there's a lot of people that I go.
01:23:09 Let's go back to paganism, but I mean, come on.
01:23:11 That's, you know, might as well be saying, let's make Harry Potter religion.
01:23:14 I mean, you're going to have some people that are going to be down for that, but it's it's just not.
01:23:18 It's it's not established enough.
01:23:21 You have to sometimes work with what you got.
01:23:23 So just from a pragmatic point of view, I think paganism is, you know, is a pipe dream.
01:23:29 And I mean cause or, you know, who knows, right.
01:23:32 But but the thing that really brings people together and I actually think that.
01:23:39 Me personally, I think it has to be something supernatural and and not just because you know. Just pragmatically I think that because at that point it's no longer here, a set of morals that some guy 100 years ago or however 2000 years ago, whatever wrote down that that we all follow by believing that there is a being that is.
01:23:59 Actually, you know, supernaturally better than us and omnipotent and all this other stuff it it it cuts out.
01:24:08 All these rational arguments that can be made to undo it, you know, like by just saying ohh Nope.
01:24:14 It's magic no because God said you no longer have to defend it and and that's good and bad.
01:24:21 I mean, there's obviously there's bad aspects to that, but I think that I don't know.
01:24:26 I've been leaning more and more towards.
01:24:28 They're probably if we're going to get out of this, there might have to be some kind of religious revival of some sort.
01:24:36 And I know how that, you know, you might disagree with that, but what are your thoughts in terms of of like the the cultural aspect of it I.
01:24:46 Well, you're identifying something that I as far as I can tell, is true and accurate, which is that religions give people a very simple set of rules.
01:24:56 And it it it.
01:24:57 Makes it cheaper and easier to get people to.
01:25:00 Work together and do the same thing.
01:25:02 Does that?
01:25:02 Makes sense so.
01:25:03 Right.
01:25:03 Well, especially with like low IQ people, the way you can't necessarily explain an ethically complicated thing to them.
01:25:10 But if you tell them well, Jesus said, then they're like, OK, then I'll do it.
01:25:13 Yes, now the problem with if we're thinking about practical solutions that will actually work like if you say, OK, we're going to have a spiritual revival that has something to do with the supernatural.
01:25:24 I think that that's unlikely to happen just because of the way the modern world is.
01:25:29 If we try to impose, for example, Christianity on America, we're going to be a Christian nation.
01:25:34 Now that to me is a lot harder.
01:25:36 Sell too much of the population than we're just going to do what we already did really well in Western civilization for like thousands of years, which is rule of.
01:25:44 Law, and we're just going to do it better.
01:25:45 And Christians can be Christians, et cetera.
01:25:48 So as far as a practical implementation, I just think it's too hard for one thing, and then for another thing, I would say you can get a lot of the benefits of the religion, and we haven't really done this yet.
01:25:59 So it's a little bit hard to, you know, picture for people, but you can have a lot of the benefits of a religion, like simple rules like you're saying for people that maybe aren't very high IQ.
01:26:07 You you can have a lot of the benefits of that without having a supernatural aspect where you're lying to people or saying you know, some supernatural entity is going to.
01:26:15 Punish you if.
01:26:15 You do this.
01:26:16 And then the last thing I would say is Propertarianism does provide a or it doesn't provide it.
01:26:23 It points out a universal morality which is reciprocity.
01:26:27 And you can accurately call that a morality because you can say or or anything that is not reciprocal is immoral because you can.
01:26:35 Empirically point out.
01:26:37 If this gets violated, your society sucks.
01:26:40 If this gets protected in and reciprocity is enforced, your society rocks and so there's a there's an empirical aspect to that definition of morality that a supernatural religion can't provide.
01:26:54 Well, and I wonder if maybe you could even in terms of the freedom of religion.
01:26:58 Stuff you could even maybe loosely apply it to different religions.
01:27:02 So for example you could say, well, this particular sect is is a net positive to its members, but then like something like Scientology, which is clearly predatory, you could say is a net.
01:27:14 Negative, but then again you, you you get government in the business of dictating religion and that could get messy so.
01:27:22 Yeah, I mean, that's where the that's where the rule of law of just enforcing anything that's parasitic is just a no go.
01:27:29 That that's where it gets really simple to cut through.
01:27:31 A lot of that stuff and.
01:27:32 But then you're like.
01:27:33 You were touching on it earlier.
01:27:35 Just like, OK, you know, Christians want to do this.
01:27:37 A preacher wants to say this.
01:27:38 What kind of exception exception do we make for that without it being a problem?
01:27:42 So but yeah, because obviously not all religions are created equal as far as the benefits or costs that they impose.
01:27:47 So right.
01:27:49 All right, let's do some more super chats here, and then we'll wrap things up pretty soon here we got.
01:27:55 I gotta rewind.
01:27:56 I got a bunch of them here I.
01:27:57 Gotta back up through.
01:28:01 I've heard OK that was OK and Alrod Celtic.
01:28:07 I love you, Devin stack.
01:28:09 It is the Jews, though it's always been the Jews.
01:28:13 You know there's.
01:28:14 Some truth to that.
01:28:14 All right?
01:28:15 I'm I've never shield away from from that.
01:28:20 I mean it's they're definitely overrepresented in.
01:28:24 In parasitism.
01:28:26 I'll just put that way.
01:28:28 Let's here Joe meal. Thanks. Or $5. Thanks for the great stream tonight. This is much better than watching cable or Netflix.
01:28:36 Well, and cancel your Netflix guys.
01:28:39 Now, if you if you pay for Netflix, you're literally paying for propaganda that fights against us and you clearly have enough money to pay for extra.
01:28:48 So maybe give us some super chats or not.
01:28:51 Just even my channel.
01:28:52 Help other channels too, because.
01:28:54 Netflix could run at a loss for like 20 years, and I'd keep keep it going because it's that useful for them, Rashad Abdul Salam, 499 propertarianism can work financially via blockchain, tie, a value like low crime or low immigration to real estate. Crime goes down. Get paid.
01:29:14 Dividend that sounds complicated, but do you know what these?
01:29:19 Do you want to talk?
01:29:19 About that at all.
01:29:21 I'll read it again.
01:29:22 Propertarianism can work financially via blockchain.
01:29:26 Tie a value like low crime or low immigration to real estate.
01:29:31 Crime goes down and get paid a dividend.
01:29:39 Are you still there?
01:29:40 Did we lose Mark?
01:29:43 John, Mark, are you still there?
01:29:45 Hello. Hello, hello.
01:29:48 All right.
01:29:48 Looks like we lost John Mark.
01:29:50 He might be joining us.
01:29:52 I'll just go through the rest of these super chats here.
01:29:55 Because I'm still alive.
01:29:57 So it's not my connection.
01:30:01 In terms of the blockchain thing, I I think that blockchain and and smart contracts could offer a lot. I'm not sure specifically what you're talking about there. 80S nostalgia guy $2.00. What do you think of Chinas social credit system?
01:30:17 Me personally, I'm not sure if John Mark could answer.
01:30:19 This the same way.
01:30:21 But me personally, it creeps me the hell out.
01:30:23 I mean, I get it.
01:30:24 I I mean, I get it while they're doing it, but it it, it's too easy to abuse, way too easy to abuse it.
01:30:32 Then we got.
01:30:34 Eredar Bruner $2.00. What do you think about traditional pagans?
01:30:39 I if that's what you want to do, that's fine.
01:30:42 I just think it's impossible to bring paganism back into style.
01:30:48 I just think I don't think it's going to happen.
01:30:49 I think that in fact, I think that you'd probably have more luck starting your own religion.
01:30:53 I think there's probably more Scientologists than pagans, and they've only been around for like 50.
01:30:59 Or Mormons.
01:31:00 Mormons have been around since.
01:31:01 18 some.
01:31:02 Then and they they've, I mean they're huge.
01:31:05 So I I don't.
01:31:06 I just think paganism is just not going to happen, if that's what you want to do.
01:31:09 That's cool.
01:31:10 I mean, that's fine, I get it.
01:31:12 But it's it's just not.
01:31:13 I don't think it's a a viable, widespread religion that's going to take, you know, take hold in the West and bring us together.
01:31:21 Like, a lot of people think, I think that's.
01:31:23 Perfect.
01:31:25 Matthew Littlejohn $10 just tuned in. Whoops, it just moved. Just tuned in. Love your work. Can you address the non aggression principle? Yeah, I've kind of touched.
01:31:35 On that a little bit.
01:31:37 I think and John Mark would have to answer this.
01:31:41 In fact, I'm going to let me message him on Twitter.
01:31:54 Alright, I just told him to join again.
01:31:56 So we'll see if he pops back in.
01:31:58 His connection might have died.
01:32:02 You know, I like the non aggression principle.
01:32:05 I would think that it would probably tie into propertarianism just fine because it, I mean, propertarianism seems like in a weird way the non aggression principle kind of applied to everything.
01:32:17 It's just defining property.
01:32:19 More specifically, all right.
01:32:22 So then we've got.
01:32:23 Among smithing 999 without Christianity, we are just wondering aimlessly the white race needs a new high, higher calling.
01:32:31 Our disunity is a symptom of lacking a higher calling that binds us together.
01:32:36 What do you suggest?
01:32:37 Yeah, I mean, not a lie.
01:32:39 I'm kind of sort of leaning in that direction.
01:32:42 And I know a.
01:32:42 Lot of people.
01:32:44 Aren't Christian and I'm not suggesting that that there should be a national religion or a state religion or.
01:32:53 Anything like that?
01:32:54 I think it's just, it's already a religion that the Western Society has a history with.
01:32:59 And yes, I know the pagans will say what we were first, it doesn't, you know.
01:33:02 And there's also people that are going to complain that there's going to be too much Zionism within Christianity, and I absolutely agree with that.
01:33:09 I think there there are some.
01:33:14 Elements within some sects of Christianity, that kind of bend the knee to other groups, and that's an unfortunate thing, but I don't think that's a fundamental aspect of Christianity.
01:33:26 I just think that's some specific sex that are that are doing that and I think there's financial reasons behind that.
01:33:32 To be perfectly honest.
01:33:34 Surface surfaces $20. John Mark is excellent at bringing propertarianism the norm.
01:33:41 Devin Stack is excellent at helping to rewire our brains to realize our conditioning and circumstances.
01:33:47 Awesome work, guys do not stop anytime soon.
01:33:50 I won't. And if John marks Internet comes back up, he won't either. $15.00 from Peter Hanukkah, I think propertarianism.
01:34:01 Is going to be the hot.
01:34:02 New thing? Yeah, I mean.
01:34:06 We'll see.
01:34:08 I think it's very interesting and I think that I think honestly, here's the deal.
01:34:12 I think libertarianism for a lot of people, people wanted that to work, but there's too many things that it ignores to where it ends up being a ideology that just is not real.
01:34:25 World it won't work and it and.
01:34:29 You get people like the Koch brothers who want open borders, but their libertarians and libertarians, they're like, Oh yeah, there's no big deal.
01:34:35 Just you know everything.
01:34:37 It's all free market, the free market, this, the free market that and it's just it's not realistic propertarianism I think addresses a lot of.
01:34:46 Those issues where you're you're kind of quantifying a lot of the, the the things like the the safe neighborhood.
01:34:53 And the the.
01:34:54 The social trust that libertarianism just kind of ignores because it's not a.
01:34:58 Dollar bill.
01:34:59 So I think people are going to that people that were attracted to libertarianism are going to be attracted to propertarianism.
01:35:06 And I think that it's it's at least at the very least, it's interesting enough to discuss and see if it's a viable solution to the problems that we have right now, because something, something needs to happen because this if we don't.
01:35:18 I mean, if we just reboot the Constitution, we're just going to be right back where where we started, you know, or or where we we're.
01:35:23 Going to just end up in the same place.
01:35:26 $2.00 it just says message retracted Matt $5. Thoughts on turd flinging monkey and taking women's rights away?
01:35:37 I'm not sure what what you mean taking women's rights away. This is going to be a little controversial, but I will say that.
01:35:48 I don't know, man.
01:35:49 I I feel like giving women the right to vote.
01:35:52 Wasn't exactly the smartest thing we've done.
01:35:58 Wasn't exactly the most productive thing that's happened to Western society if you just judge things on the results.
01:36:07 I see it as kind of a negative, and if you look at the societies that are now coming in and dominating Western society, what are what are they are they, are they societies that are that are particularly feminist.
01:36:19 I I would say the the opposite is true and I would say that there's a reason for that.
01:36:23 So I think that's something that needs to be revisited and the weird and honestly, in a weird way, I feel like that's kind of why conflict is inevitable, because that's not something you can just roll back.
01:36:33 That's not something that you can be like, all right, women, we're going to have a vote that you, you're allowed to participate in where we're going to reevaluate how you participate in the political process.
01:36:44 They're not.
01:36:44 Going to vote?
01:36:45 To limit their own rights and and and I and I say rights loosely.
01:36:49 I don't mean that women should have fewer rights necessarily.
01:36:53 I think they should have the same.
01:36:55 Quantifiably the same rights but just different rights.
01:37:01 You will.
01:37:04 Potentially it's a discussion that needs to be had, and I'm leaning towards I I I don't like the results of women voting.
01:37:12 And so I'm I'm willing to maybe discuss changing that Michigan outlaw $2.00 how can we fight back with being without being arrested?
01:37:23 Well, it's it's, it's just we're just having a conversation right now, you know, like, we're not talking about.
01:37:30 You know, here's the plan, guys.
01:37:32 We're all going to be at this place and we're going to, you know, burn this building down or whatever.
01:37:36 Nothing we're doing is illegal, and it's totally OK to talk about this stuff.
01:37:40 And when these things happen, they they kind of I.
01:37:42 Mean they?
01:37:43 I would.
01:37:44 I mean, I don't know that they're spontaneous.
01:37:46 It's kind of hard to say, right.
01:37:47 But it's nothing that I'm going to plan.
01:37:48 I'm never going to plan.
01:37:51 Any kind of military action or something like that, my focus and I think what everyone's focus should be right now is preparing just in terms of having food supply having, you know, the ability to defend your family, being prepared for if something were to happen that you're able to.
01:38:10 Deal with that situation now that does a couple of things obviously.
01:38:15 The obvious thing is that you know you'll be safer, right?
01:38:18 But the other thing that a lot of people don't think about is that if you are not dependent on the system, right?
01:38:26 Like if you are not.
01:38:28 Worried about, like, oh, if I get, you know, if my paycheck stops coming or, you know, if you're kind of.
01:38:35 Not bulletproof.
01:38:36 What's the word I'm thinking of?
01:38:37 If you're hardened to the the, the, the if you're if you're.
01:38:43 And something happens and you know that you'll you'll be able to.
01:38:46 Survive anything?
01:38:48 Something something very, very important changes in your brain.
01:38:52 And that is that you stop subconsciously protecting the system, because if you know that if the system goes down that you're screwed and your family is screwed, you might.
01:39:03 Talk a big game about how like yeah, I hate the system or whatever, but if deep down inside, you know that you're going to be, like, homeless or starving to death or whatever.
01:39:12 You're going to protect the system, even if it's in little ways, you're going to protect the system.
01:39:17 So being free of that dependence on the system I think is necessary for a lot more people, because right now, probably most of the people watching this are dependent on one way or another on the system.
01:39:32 Freeing yourself from that dependence is, I think, vital just in terms of.
01:39:38 You know, moving forward with even the conversation that we're having to be able to realistically talk about, hey, we need to get rid of the system.
01:39:45 I mean, you're you're not going to really seriously consider that if if you're you're.
01:39:51 Without it.
01:39:53 Let's see here Kevin Beckley $5. What is your take on the John Birch Society and?
01:40:00 Have you ever seen the documentary Anarchy USA made in 1966? Any thoughts? I have not seen that documentary.
01:40:07 I I barely know about the John Birch Society.
01:40:12 I know there's still around.
01:40:13 I think they have a YouTube channel.
01:40:15 I think I might have even seen some of their videos.
01:40:18 I've heard I've heard a lot of people say different things, like they're that they're feds or that you know, the same kind of things they say about everybody.
01:40:27 But I'm not.
01:40:27 I'm not familiar enough with the John Birch Society to really have, like, a good opinion on that.
01:40:35 Animatronic $2.00 have you read mere Christianity and New Testament?
01:40:41 Talking about the New Testament or is that like part of the title?
01:40:44 I haven't read anything called new Christianity.
01:40:47 I have read the New Testament.
01:40:49 It's been a while though, but.
01:40:50 I read it when I was younger.
01:40:53 Keijo Cazador, 1499.
01:40:58 Faci N.
01:41:00 He turned them.
01:41:01 It looks like we got John.
01:41:02 Mark back can.
01:41:03 You hear me? Yes, I.
01:41:04 Can can.
01:41:04 You hear me?
01:41:05 You're back on.
01:41:06 So we're still alive.
01:41:07 So good.
01:41:07 OK.
01:41:09 I'm still just doing super chat, so it's.
01:41:11 No good deal.
01:41:14 Mac $5 turd flinging Monkey is a very spot on YouTuber. OK, I'll have to check him out. You should check him out. I will very spot on logical arguments. Look into political.
01:41:27 Trichotomy OK I will do that.
01:41:30 So we're back.
01:41:32 The only thing that you missed, I would say that that people would probably want to that was addressed to you specifically.
01:41:41 Is actually.
01:41:43 There's two.
01:41:44 Let me back up here.
01:41:51 OK.
01:41:52 What do you think of Chinas social credit system?
01:41:57 Ohh is is that the one where they the the one?
01:42:02 I heard the way I heard.
01:42:03 About that was.
01:42:03 A Chinese girl that lives in America.
01:42:06 Some place was saying, yeah, I have to walk to work every day because I have to get a certain number of steps in to build up so.
01:42:12 I have enough social credits in China.
01:42:16 For the Chinese Government, so I don't, I'm not enough of an expert to say yay or nay, good or bad.
01:42:21 It just sounds very big brotherly to me.
01:42:23 It is.
01:42:24 But again, I'm.
01:42:25 I'm not I'm.
01:42:26 Not I'm not informed enough to go beyond.
01:42:31 No, it's absolutely big.
01:42:32 It's basically the government.
01:42:33 The state is determining good and bad behavior and punishing you accordingly.
01:42:37 So it's and they watch everything like like if you post something on social media that they don't like, they'll dock you points, they'll also dock your family points to like, pressure your family into.
01:42:44 Oh Gee.
01:42:48 Yeah, it's it's pretty.
01:42:49 Right.
01:42:49 It's scary.
01:42:52 And then the other one is and I kind of covered this, but I'll just ask someone says how can we fight back without being arrested?
01:43:00 And and my thing was, we're not talking about anything illegal here.
01:43:03 So you're not going to get arrested just by talking about this stuff in a theoretical sense.
01:43:08 But, I mean, how would you answer that question?
01:43:13 No, I mean we're.
01:43:14 Yeah, we're not saying go do anything that's gonna get you arrested.
01:43:18 I'm just saying the way I say it is at some point, the right wing, somebody on the right wing, people on the right wing is going to rebel against the government or something.
01:43:27 There's a high likelihood I'm not telling you to go do that.
01:43:30 I'm just saying be prepared for if it happens because.
01:43:33 If the right wing can't win any more elections very soon, there's going to be no other way for the right wing to defend themselves.
01:43:39 So there's a high likelihood somebody's going to somebody's going to act in a way that would be considered quote, UN quote illegal. But yeah.
01:43:49 Don't go do that yourself.
01:43:50 We're not telling you to go do that.
01:43:51 Yeah, right now we're just talking about, I don't, I don't see how you look at the world and and not think to yourself, this can't go on indefinitely.
01:44:01 You know, like we have a a society based on we. I mean we have we're 22 trillion in debt we're we're we have a a huge number of our lawmakers.
01:44:12 Compromised by a third party.
01:44:14 We we have wealth inequality at levels I don't think have ever in in America that have never been seen before.
01:44:25 We have something like.
01:44:27 I just saw something that day.
01:44:29 It was something.
01:44:31 Crazy like it was like 40% of Americans that have car loans are or 60 days or or more behind in their payments.
01:44:43 Like crazy things like, yeah, economic things that you.
01:44:46 Look at and and.
01:44:48 It's no wonder to me, let me put this with this.
01:44:51 No wonder to me why Trump keeps saying how awesome the economy is, even though he wasn't saying that when he ran because.
01:44:58 You know, like it's that's all it's going to take if the if there's a huge economic downturn, that's really.
01:45:06 I mean, that's usually what it takes to kick things off, and I think that's what they're trying to avoid right now.
01:45:11 That's very interesting.
01:45:12 The other thing I would add really quick is it's not just right wingers that are talking about, you know, revolution, War, there's left wingers talking about this too.
01:45:19 And the left wingers, I don't think the grassroots left wingers that are talking about this, I don't think they understand the situation as well.
01:45:25 They just know that something is very, very wrong and some of the things they pinpoint, you know, like corruption.
01:45:31 You know, and the the corporations owning the politicians and stuff like that, some of it they understand, some of it they don't.
01:45:37 But you know.
01:45:37 Just fixing the the banking thing, for example, would make everybody's life so much easier.
01:45:41 It would calm a lot.
01:45:42 Of this down.
01:45:43 But it's not just, it's not even just right wingers that are really ******.
01:45:47 There's a lot of left wingers that are too, so very volatile situation.
01:45:50 Right. Here's a good question. Freedom Man, $2.00 says. How does drug use fit into propertarianism?
01:46:00 I have not actually considered that before.
01:46:04 I know that like a libertarian, for example, might say, well, it's OK because it's voluntary.
01:46:09 They're choosing to do it right, but under proper journalism on the fly here, if you're doing it yourself, I don't know, you know.
01:46:18 What you'd be looking for is.
01:46:19 Maybe if you manufactured it yourself, you'd be OK, but if if you're selling it to other people then then probably could.
01:46:20 Externality. How it's affecting.
01:46:27 How are you affecting others is what I think the primary question.
01:46:30 Proper journalism would be asking because proper tourism talks a lot about externalities which can be positive or negative.
01:46:36 But it's.
01:46:37 What are you doing that is affecting others as well and affect affecting their forms of property?
01:46:42 So you'd have to think through that on.
01:46:44 The drug thing.
01:46:44 Well, what?
01:46:45 How would that cause that would even I.
01:46:46 I would think that would even apply to like alcohol.
01:46:49 Use, right?
01:46:51 I mean, there's a guy named Eli Harmon.
01:46:55 That's one of the propertarians.
01:46:56 That is good.
01:46:57 Explaining things and one of the examples he uses is what if you had like a crack house, you know, or a place where you're selling drugs out of a house and.
01:47:04 Neighborhood a libertarian might say.
01:47:06 Well, you know, it's OK because you can do whatever you want with your property, but you're imposing a lot of costs on your neighbors.
01:47:12 You know, maybe you have shady characters coming around in the middle of the night.
01:47:15 Maybe there's noise, so there's other forms of property being affected.
01:47:20 So I think the only way you could get away with it under proper tourism if it was just you're doing it yourself and it's not affecting.
01:47:25 Anybody else at all?
01:47:27 But even then, you you go drive somewhere, you know, or you're you're a burden on society.
01:47:33 You go for rehab.
01:47:34 Who's paying for that?
01:47:36 So you can get into that whole thing as well.
01:47:40 OK, we got Rashad Abdul Salam once again 499 ask about propertarianism and blockchain smart contracts. This guy really likes blockchain tie of value like low crime, immigration, real estate value to crypto crime goes down. Get the same question again. I don't know specifically.
01:47:59 What you're getting at but.
01:48:02 I think that.
01:48:05 Having a trustless system like blockchain could probably serve a purpose somehow.
01:48:11 Not just capitalism, but a lot of stuff.
01:48:15 We got Zach and five dollars.
01:48:17 Hello, Devin.
01:48:18 Looking into a bunker.
01:48:19 Thanks for your insight.
01:48:20 Very helpful.
01:48:21 Yeah, dude, get a bunker bunker up.
01:48:23 I'm not at mine right now.
01:48:24 In fact, I'm probably going.
01:48:26 To there's a storm happening where my bunker is at and I'm like, very concerned.
01:48:30 Because there's a.
01:48:31 There's some roof damage there that I was repairing that I didn't get to finish and I'm kind of thinking I might go back to a flooded bunker, but we'll.
01:48:37 See Michigan Outlaw says $2.00 didn't ask the question right, ran out of space lol. Not sure what that what you're getting at Enclave Radio Man 199 boycott Mexican beer.
01:48:54 I don't know, Coronas. OK. Peter, Hanukkah 1234. Is Kirk going to host a propertarian conference in Kiev anytime soon this year or next like an Ameren conference for Propertarianism? I need an excuse to vacation in.
01:49:17 We've talked about doing conferences.
01:49:18 I don't know if the best place to do would be Ukraine, but we've, we've definitely kind of floated that idea as we kind of grow here and and get more people interested in in knowing about it.
01:49:28 So we'll keep you posted on all of our channels.
01:49:33 Scott £5 Devon women are the Jews of of gender sneaky little creatures that subvert and undermine your society if you don't.
01:49:42 Keep them in.
01:49:43 Fine. Thank you for that, Scott. Dave Martel, $10 stack and John, Mark, my two favorite M offers John.
01:49:53 Mark, give me a plug.
01:49:55 Yo, stack.
01:49:56 Come on my show.
01:49:57 Hoss, we got lean on deck.
01:50:01 You know.
01:50:01 I mean, Dave Martell.
01:50:03 That sounds familiar.
01:50:03 I've I've Dave Martel.
01:50:05 Yeah, Dave, Dave Martel interviewed me the other day.
01:50:08 Great guy.
01:50:08 I think he's on.
01:50:10 He'll turn network Sunday nights.
01:50:12 I wanna say, but yeah, if you look up Dave Martell show, I think you will find it.
01:50:16 So, yeah, Dave Martell, fantastic guy.
01:50:18 Great voice too.
01:50:19 I'll take his voice any day.
01:50:21 Yeah, I'll check that out.
01:50:23 Yeah, it sounds familiar.
01:50:24 That might be something I've or someone I've heard before.
01:50:28 Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.
01:50:29 So that's that's all the Super chat.
01:50:31 Is there anything else you wanted to cover before we wrap things up?
01:50:37 No, I would just say, you know, don't don't make a judgment on propertarianism just from what you've heard from me today, because it's just surface level obviously.
01:50:46 And Devin, thank you so much for asking great questions.
01:50:49 And you know, having me.
01:50:51 And and for everything that you do as well.
01:50:53 So just want to make sure people know if you want to check out proper training and more.
01:50:58 I have a proper turning ISM tab on my website johnmarksays.com and also the official website ispropertrainingism.com.
01:51:05 That's the official website of the Proper Training Institute, so I'll be putting out more videos about it and all of that.
01:51:11 But yeah, again, thanks a lot, Devin.
01:51:13 You have me doing great.
01:51:15 Yeah, cool.
01:51:15 And and one last, we got one last super chat here at the end for you 80s nostalgia guy.
01:51:21 $10 what if Propertarianism turns into mob rule? Like if the majority of people decided that Tesla should no longer be allowed to produce cars because self driving cars could leave to truckers losing jobs.
01:51:35 Ohh that's interesting.
01:51:39 I think that would be a tough one because you could just say, well, you know they can get the job some other way and self driving cars would free up so much time and economy, economic activity that, you know, we could make up for it.
01:51:52 So that's a that's a good question, but.
01:51:56 You know, if I try to run through my head, how would that would run in a courtroom under property?
01:52:00 Anism, I think it'd be a little bit hard to say well to to make the argument that a company can't innovate because I might lose my job.
01:52:08 I think that would be a tough one to make because you can always go get another job.
01:52:12 But yeah, I I understand what they're saying there.
01:52:14 I don't think it would turn into mob rule in that sense, but.
01:52:19 It's it's designed to cut out.
01:52:20 Parasitism and once you go beyond that, where it's just you're trying to protect something that's not really a parasitic activity, I don't think it would fly.
01:52:30 So that's my unofficial off the top of my head answer.
01:52:34 Well, right, so you basically what you're saying is you differentiate between?
01:52:37 I mean something that is it?
01:52:41 Like if you had a invented a better mouse trap, the mouse trap people couldn't be like, oh, that's going to take away value from us, you know, because you're not.
01:52:51 You're not being a parasite.
01:52:52 You're not really taking value, you're just disrupting their market, which.
01:52:57 Is different in nature from, yeah.
01:53:02 Alright then we got one last one and then we'll go and close things out.
01:53:06 Hi, Deb.
01:53:07 Do you watch Murdoch Murdoch from an anonymous tipper.
01:53:09 $2.00 I've I've seen some episodes. They're actually pretty funny. I hope they keep making them. It's like I said, we need more people doing fiction and we need more art on the right. So while I don't necessarily agree with them.
01:53:23 On philosophically on everything.
01:53:26 They're funny and it's I look at it as a an extreme right wing, South Park and South Park has gotten less funny over the years and so it's needed.
01:53:35 So all right. Well, thanks for coming and doing this, John. Mark, your YouTube channel, people should subscribe to that if they're interested in propertarianism and proper tourism.com, as he said, you can also follow him on Twitter at John Mark says. And yeah, thanks for.
01:53:55 Join us in this conversation tonight and I'm going to wrap things up and we'll catch you guys next time.
01:54:03 And as I always say, for black pill, I'm Devin stack.