INSOMNIA STREAM: PAT-CON EDITION Part 3.mp3
08/03/2022Speaker 1
00:00:00 There's a Detroit woman with the love and look in her eyes, and she never did me wrong.00:01:52 And that's no lie.
Speaker 2
00:01:55 When I said it.Speaker 1
00:01:55 Was leaving.00:01:56 She tried hard not.
00:01:57 To Cry, cry, cry.
Speaker 3
00:02:00 Packed up my clothes and my old guitar threw all my junk in the back of my car.Speaker 2
00:02:14 I don't want you to think that you won't always be your friends, but there's.Speaker 4
00:02:19 Inside me, you don't understand.Speaker 5
00:02:23 I gotta go back.00:02:24 Gotta go back.
Speaker 1
00:02:28 In New York City, there's a blackly burning plane.Speaker 4
00:02:37 Try to please her.00:02:38 My memories stay.
Speaker 3
00:02:40 The same same same closing my old guitar in the back of my car.Speaker 1
00:02:48 Couldn't play the game.Speaker 2
00:02:56 I don't want you to think that you won't always be your friend.Speaker 4
00:03:00 But there's fruits inside me.00:03:03 You don't understand.
Speaker 6
00:03:05 I gotta go back.00:03:06 Gotta go back home.
Speaker 1
00:03:10 Be no big welcoming committee.00:03:15 A lonely girl and a tiny little son.
00:03:20 Never had a chance to know his daddy because all his daddy knew to do was run.
00:03:29 Now it's the beach and the water.
Speaker 5
00:03:38 And it's good.Speaker 3
00:03:42 Where they got all the same old guitar.00:03:45 I'm heading on home.
00:03:47 It's going to be.
Speaker 8
00:03:49 I belong.Speaker 7
00:03:52 It's back to the home.Speaker 2
00:03:57 I don't want you to think that you won't.Speaker 1
00:03:59 Always be your friend, but there's inside me.00:04:06 I gotta go back.
00:04:07 Gotta go back home again.
Speaker 5
00:04:12 Back home again.Speaker 9
00:04:16 Go back.Speaker 7
00:04:33 Go and hold.00:04:35 Yes, I am.
00:04:37 Here's my train coming now.
00:04:39 I'm home.
00:04:42 Yes, I'm going back to bed, brother.
00:04:45 I expect to.
00:04:46 Stay going home to Oklahoma.
00:04:48 Yes, I am.
00:04:50 All aboard Oklahoma let this keep it on board, and when it rains, we call it rain.
00:05:01 We don't bother to explain.
00:05:04 Let this soaking get on board.
00:06:17 Going back to Oklahoma, yes I am.
00:06:21 Here's my friend.
00:06:23 Come along.
00:06:24 I'm home.
00:06:26 I don't know what it I am.
00:06:28 Since I left them, turnips breed going back to Oklahoma.
00:06:35 All aboard.
00:06:39 Let this soak.
00:06:40 Keep it on board.
00:06:44 No white button.
00:06:45 Blue Diamond grew with chicken prunes.
00:06:48 Let this.
00:06:48 Hobby get on board.
Devon
00:07:01 Good morning, good evening, good afternoon.00:07:04 Good night.
00:07:07 I don't know August, right?
00:07:10 Is it fall yet?
00:07:13 Summer over yet?
00:07:14 I'm ready for summer to be over.
00:07:19 It's not over yet.
00:07:20 Not yet.
00:07:21 We got a little bit ways to go.
00:07:24 All right.
00:07:24 Well, welcome to Part 3.
00:07:28 Of the insomnia stream pet Con Edition I am your host Devin Stack, and we are going to be talking about.
00:07:37 Well, we're going to continue talking about, I guess, healing hate.
00:07:44 The propaganda peace that.
00:07:47 Is trying really hard to make everyone in the right wing look like a terrorist.
00:07:55 And so the Justice Department can feel justified and stomping on their.
00:08:02 Well, everything they can, every every little, every piece of them, physically, mentally, spiritually, everything.
00:08:11 And Speaking of which?
00:08:14 One of the January 6th guys that was sentenced, what was it yesterday?
00:08:20 I forgot about this.
00:08:21 I probably should have pulled the clip.
00:08:23 But one of the guys from January 6th, you guys will probably remember this.
00:08:28 Remember the guy who was ratted out by his anime loving son.
00:08:36 And CNN interviewed his his like, Super Soy son.
00:08:41 That was like, yeah, totally.
00:08:44 I, you know, I totally ratted my dad out because he was dangerous.
00:08:48 I had to call the FBI told him that I saw him in the footage in the in the capital and and and CNN was making this sound like, oh, that's so great.
00:08:57 So great, these kids riding their parents out to the authorities.
00:09:02 That guy.
00:09:04 Got sentenced and.
00:09:07 That same son, that same Anna Gay watching son.
Speaker 13
00:09:12 Wrote a letter to the judge.Speaker 14
00:09:16 Asking for the maximum sentence.Devon
00:09:20 For his father.00:09:25 Which was seven years.
00:09:27 Unfortunately, he got it.
00:09:30 So I again, I wish I I I pulled the clip because it's.
00:09:35 It's pretty disgusting watching this ******.
00:09:37 And you can tell you can.
00:09:38 Tell that he's.
00:09:40 He's just loving being on CNN, you can tell he he literally he he put his dad in jail for seven years for the Reddit gold.
00:09:50 For real you.
00:09:51 Can tell that that's the kind of a.
00:09:53 ******, this guy is.
00:09:55 So homeschool your kids.
00:10:01 I mean, look, obviously that's a huge fail on the dead.
00:10:04 I mean, if you raise a kid like that, I mean, you almost deserve to be in jail for seven years.
00:10:08 But ****.
00:10:10 This is what happens when you're not paying attention to to who's raising your children because the system will will take care of that for you.
00:10:21 Let's uh.
00:10:24 Let's move on to.
00:10:27 Part 3 here I'm gonna.
00:10:28 Make sure I got this all.
00:10:29 Set up correctly, I think I do.
00:10:31 Alright, so this is.
00:10:33 This is the.
00:10:34 It's getting the mood for healing hate.
Speaker 15
00:10:39 It is a story decades in the making.Speaker 16
00:10:41 They call themselves.Speaker 17
00:10:43 The Aryan nation.Speaker 15
00:10:52 The nation stopped in its tracks.Speaker 18
00:10:55 Angry mob of supporters.Speaker 15
00:10:56 The most sacred symbol of America's democracy attacked a nation already deeply divided over politics.00:11:06 Race and economic inequality, and now the claim of a stolen election.
00:11:14 Extremists inciting rage, some using violence.
00:11:20 How did we get here?
00:11:22 What fuels their fury?
00:11:24 How grave is the threat to democracy?
00:11:29 How do we heal the hate?
Devon
00:11:33 How do we heal the hate indeed.00:11:39 Last week, if you remember.
00:11:42 We in Part 2.
00:11:45 The the wonderful producers, the mixture of SPLC and deep state, is there really a difference?
00:11:52 The line is pretty blurry.
00:11:54 Producers of this wonderful piece of propaganda.
00:11:58 They said that.
00:12:00 Healing the hate.
00:12:02 Healing the hate.
00:12:05 Was it was, it was necessary to understand where the hate came from.
00:12:10 So part one, of course they talked about some of the militia movement that was starting to pop up in the 80s and 90s and the great work of the SPLC and the federal government to stomp and often murder the people involved with that.
00:12:23 And then last week.
00:12:25 Last Saturday last stream it was about Waco.
00:12:30 And at the end of the the Waco incident, you heard the people say, and then Timothy McVeigh.
00:12:39 Who was at Waco selling bumper stickers?
00:12:43 That's when he went crazy.
00:12:46 That's when he went crazy and started the his plan to do the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:12:54 Now, because there's so much stuff to get into and they lie so much.
00:13:00 I'm not going to do kind of like the tip for tat kind of stuff that I was doing with Waco cause Waco.
00:13:05 They just left out so many details.
00:13:07 It was, you know, was easier.
00:13:10 With this they they leave out a lot of details too.
00:13:13 But it's I think it's easier maybe to let them kind of give their version this time.
00:13:19 I'm going to I got.
00:13:20 To change something here.
00:13:22 No, I guess it's working.
00:13:23 That's weird.
00:13:23 Don't know it's.
00:13:25 OK, I don't know why that's never mind.
00:13:29 Ignore, ignore everything I just mumbled about.
Speaker 14
00:13:35 So we're.Devon
00:13:35 Going to play.00:13:37 Kind of there their version of events and and actually first I'll play the intro and I'll explain why it's relevant because a lot of people might be wondering too, like, well, this is Oklahoma City bombing.
00:13:47 This happened like you know, when I was, when I was a little kid or or before I was alive back in the 90s, you know, depending how old you are.
00:13:55 But it's very relevant and I'll explain why.
Speaker 15
00:13:58 An angry ex soldier named Timothy McVeigh.Speaker 17
00:14:02 He was there on the day of the fire selling bumper stickers that said, if guns are outlawed, then I'll become an outlaw.Devon
00:14:12 First of all, they it's interesting that they they use.00:14:15 They chose that as like the evil bumper sticker.
00:14:18 If guns become illegal, I'll become or against the law, I'll become an outlaw or whatever.
00:14:23 However she put it.
00:14:27 That's the right attitude to have.
00:14:29 That's that's the American attitude.
00:14:33 Because that would be unconstitutional. That would 100%. That's that's literally the line that even boomers.
00:14:41 Won't let the federal government cross, like, even boomers will wheel themselves out into the streets and shake their AR fifteens over their heads.
Speaker 11
00:14:50 And say I'd like to see you pry it from my cold dead.Devon
00:14:53 Hands like that.00:14:55 That's that's.
Speaker 14
00:14:57 So it's just weird that.Devon
00:14:58 That's the bumpers.00:14:59 That's the extremist bumper sticker that she picked.
Speaker 17
00:15:03 Timothy McVeigh came away from Waco.00:15:09 A loaded pistol.
Devon
00:15:12 Whoa. A loaded pistol.00:15:14 At least it wasn't like a a loaded.
00:15:16 AR Assault rifle 15.
00:15:20 Alright, so anyway you might ask like, alright.
00:15:22 Well, this is Oklahoma City.
00:15:23 Like how first of all, how are they tying this in?
00:15:26 You gotta understand.
00:15:27 As I've been saying over and over with all these streams and it'll be true again with this one.
00:15:32 It's all the same.
00:15:33 People the same ******* people.
00:15:35 Not the same kinds of people, but the same people that were in charge of of these operations back in the 90s are the people running your country now.
00:15:46 They're the people running the federal agencies right now.
00:15:51 They're the people that are still at war with white people just like.
00:15:55 They were in the 90s.
00:15:57 They have been systematically trying to crush any group of white people who believe in in having a a means of self-defense.
00:16:08 And a healthy respect for how the country was founded.
00:16:12 With the specific, with an emphasis on Christians.
00:16:16 That's just the way.
00:16:17 That it is, and if you don't.
00:16:18 Believe me, look, this is.
00:16:20 A clip.
00:16:21 From Merrick Garland's this is his his hearing before they confirmed him when he was just picked out.
00:16:31 By Biden and and by the way, Republicans all voted for this guy, right?
00:16:37 I don't know.
00:16:37 I don't think every Republican necessarily, but enough to get him in there.
00:16:40 So here's what they.
00:16:42 Could have blocked him.
Speaker 19
00:16:44 We abhor violence, whether it comes from the right or left, whatever its source, it has no place in responsible constitutional dialogue in America.00:16:55 Currently though, we are faced with elements that weren't there 25 years ago in Oklahoma City.
00:17:02 A proliferation of weapons.
00:17:05 Secondly, social media and the Internet, which serves as a gathering place for many of these domestic terrorists, what are your thoughts about how we should deal with those?
Devon
00:17:19 So that's **** Durbin.00:17:21 They're still talking about it, saying, yeah, you know, it's it's worse now than when Oklahoma City, the Oklahoma City bombing, happened.
00:17:31 You know these these terrorists didn't have social media where they could congregate.
00:17:37 Now they do.
00:17:38 Who do you think?
00:17:38 They're talking about.
00:17:42 Who do you think **** Durbin's talking about?
00:17:45 When he makes a statement like that.
00:17:51 So he's saying that, oh, yeah, because it's so much more dangerous now than the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:17:57 Like, what are you going to do?
00:17:58 Are you going to take that or you're going to think about that when the when you rule the the the OR or or or rather direct the energy of the FBI and the DOJ.
00:18:11 Toward in the ATF and every other agency towards our political opponents.
Speaker 19
00:18:16 Those elements from the law enforcement viewpoint.Speaker 20
00:18:21 Well, Mr.00:18:22 Chairman, I certainly agree that we are facing a more dangerous period than we faced in Oklahoma City at that then at that time from what I have seen and I have no insight into.
Devon
00:18:34 See Merrick Garland.00:18:35 He agrees.
00:18:37 Ohh I I certainly agree that now is a more dangerous time than the time of of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Speaker 20
00:18:46 Information about how the department is developing it for its work.00:18:50 It looks like an extremely aggressive and perfectly appropriate beginning to an investigation all across the country in the same way our original Oklahoma City investigation was.
00:19:01 But many times more.
00:19:05 I don't yet know what.
00:19:06 Additional resources would be required by the.
00:19:09 Department and I can.
00:19:10 Assure you that this will be my first priority.
Devon
00:19:15 His first priority?00:19:19 His first priority is going to be using the same resources that they used in respect to the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:19:31 Now I want you to understand.
00:19:33 **** Durbin understands what that really means.
00:19:36 People watching on C-SPAN might not.
00:19:40 Because the people watch you on C-SPAN, just think. Oh, OK. Well, they're going to have a lot of people that can that can figure out where the where the crazy domestic terrorists are and and track them down and arrest them like they did. Timothy McVeigh really. Was that the federal government's involvement? Was that the FBI?
Speaker 13
00:20:00 Involvement with with that is that were that were those the resources they used?Devon
00:20:05 I think we'll find out tonight.00:20:08 So let's go.
00:20:09 Let's go.
00:20:09 Let's move on to the the propaganda piece put out by these very people.
00:20:15 Hey, let's hear their their side of the story.
Speaker 22
00:20:19 Get him back. Got them.Speaker 23
00:20:20 All of a sudden explosion roof caved in.Speaker 24
00:20:22 Just sitting here.Speaker 21
00:20:23 Yeah, just sit right here.Speaker 25
00:20:24 We gotta find this.Speaker 2
00:20:28 Wow. Holy cow.Speaker 16
00:20:32 About 1/3 of the building has been blown away.Speaker 26
00:20:38 The bombing in Oklahoma City.00:20:41 Was an attack on innocent children and defenseless citizens.
Speaker 27
00:20:47 We will find.Speaker 26
00:20:49 The people who did this.Speaker 18
00:20:50 The crowd.00:20:51 They're going crazy booing as they see the first glimpse of this man.
Speaker 28
00:20:55 He was a soldier without a war.Speaker 29
00:20:58 His goal was to end the United States government as we know it, just as we saw the attempt to do so on January 6.Speaker 8
00:21:03 Right 've.Speaker 13
00:21:11 Ohh alright, see you see what they're doing.Devon
00:21:15 Ohh yeah his his his his.00:21:17 He was trying to end the government.
00:21:19 As we know, just like January 6th guys.
Speaker 29
00:21:21 As we know it just as we saw the attempt to do so on January 6.Speaker 13
00:21:26 Just like January 6, you.00:21:27 Know he was trying to.
Devon
00:21:28 Junior January 6th, January insurrection.00:21:31 So they go on to, you know, talk about, you know, how horrible the Oklahoma City bombing was.
00:21:37 They they try to.
00:21:39 They do like this, you know?
00:21:41 Look at this old man.
00:21:43 He lost his daughter.
00:21:44 It's so terrible.
00:21:46 This the, the ****** ** disgusting thing about the this whole thing is, is, you know, it's like that he doesn't know.
00:21:55 Like this old man right here literally thinks it was like some evil white supremacist that killed his daughter.
00:22:06 It it's so disgusting.
00:22:08 Anyway, so they go through the money, man, like, oh, there was some, you know, 17 kids that died.
00:22:14 And you know.
00:22:18 And and look, they did 17 kids.
00:22:21 That's how that's.
00:22:22 They just don't care. They really don't care. They'll they'd kill, they would have killed 72 kids. They don't care. They, Waco. They killed more than 17.
Speaker 15
00:22:30 It was an unexceptional federal building in Oklahoma City, but its bombing was the most devastating terrorist attack on US soil in history.Speaker 30
00:22:40 A day that this might have somehow coincided with the 2nd anniversary of the cult compound fire in Waco involving the Branch Davidians.Speaker 15
00:22:49 It would be an uncanny coincidence if the federal building were randomly bombed on the exact same day that two years earlier, 76 men, women and children died at Waco in a fire at the far right blamed on the US government.Devon
00:23:09 I like how the the the the far right.Speaker 23
00:23:11 The far right.Devon
00:23:12 Blamed on the US government with 0 details as we saw last stream.00:23:16 They literally gave you if you didn't know about Waco and you watched the video, you know, the last part of this episode where their time out, Waco, you would think that it was just all the all the all just fever dreams, all just the crazy.
00:23:29 Imaginations of delusional right wingers.
Speaker 28
00:23:34 Anti federal government groups that we see now, like the Boogaloo boys.Devon
00:23:40 Yes, actually just.Speaker 11
00:23:41 Like the Boogaloo Boogaloo boys Speaking of PET Chan, the fact that they bring.Devon
00:23:49 In the Boogaloo boys, unironically.00:23:53 Anyway, let's.
00:23:54 Let's hear again.
Speaker 28
00:23:55 Anti federal government groups that we see now, like the boogaloo boys, like the Oath Keepers, this is a very important day.Devon
00:24:07 Yeah, everyone knows that it's a very important day.00:24:10 We all don't.
00:24:11 We all just get together and and and celebrate April 19th.
00:24:18 I know there's people that celebrate April 20th, but April 19th?
00:24:22 Really, I've I've literally, I've never heard of that.
00:24:25 Guess that's.
00:24:26 I guess that's what the boogaloo.
00:24:28 Boys deal.
00:24:28 They celebrate April 19th.
Speaker 31
00:24:31 Ground Zero ATF agents have been working in the plywood covered Bomb crater. They now estimate the bomb weighed 5000 pounds. It was hauled in a truck like this 24.Speaker 32
00:24:43 As soon as we realized the truck had been rented at a particular location in Kansas, investigators were sent there.00:24:49 Agents were.
Devon
00:24:51 Ohh it it's this *******.00:24:53 It's this guy that lied about Waco saying oh.
Speaker
00:24:57 Yeah. And then.Devon
00:24:57 And then we filled up the complex.00:24:59 With pepper gas.
00:25:01 Let's see what he has to say about this.
Speaker 32
00:25:04 Sent there and they were able to get a sketch from the individual who rented the truck information from the rental receipt itself was the name on the receipt was Robert Clean.Devon
00:25:16 Alright, I'm sorry.00:25:18 I like look.
00:25:20 I'm gonna have.
00:25:20 To interject like a little bit, he's already lying.
00:25:23 Like so much that I have to at.
00:25:24 Least interject he he's all.
00:25:26 I mean, he's lying from like the official ******* story line.
00:25:31 Like you just said.
00:25:31 That all right.
Speaker 32
00:25:33 We're able to get a sketch from the individual who rented the truck.Speaker 14
00:25:38 The individual.Devon
00:25:40 The individual there was just one guy, just one guy that rented the truck.00:25:45 There was definitely just one guy that rented the Ryder truck, right?
00:25:49 Just one guy that rent that, that that the employees at Elliott's Body Shop saw, right? It was just one guy that that people saw.
00:25:59 In the truck, right?
Speaker 23
00:26:01 2 white males were associated with this vehicle.00:26:06 As a result, arrest warrants will be sought for these two males.
Devon
00:26:12 Well, wait a second.00:26:13 Why is the FBI director?
Speaker 14
00:26:17 Saying that there's two white males that.Devon
00:26:19 They're looking for that rented the truck.00:26:21 Back when it happened.
Speaker 14
00:26:24 Well, that's well, that's weird.Speaker 23
00:26:26 The first man is of medium build with a light brown crew cut.00:26:32 And he is right-handed.
00:26:34 The second man is also medium build.
00:26:37 He is further described as five feet 9 inches to five feet 10 inches tall, with brown hair and a tattoo visible on his left arm.
Devon
00:26:49 That's weird.00:26:50 Why so why didn't this guy, you know, Captain Pepper gas over here?
00:26:57 I don't understand.
00:26:58 Like, how did he miss?
00:26:59 Like a huge detail like that?
00:27:01 That that seems like a big thing to miss, right?
00:27:04 You know the going from.
00:27:07 There was a manhunt.
00:27:11 For two guys, they had sketches for.
00:27:15 That the employees at the store reported seeing that 20 something other eyewitnesses reported seeing.
00:27:24 To an individual?
00:27:25 That's weird, huh?
00:27:27 Maybe he.
00:27:27 Maybe he just.
00:27:28 Has a bad memory.
Speaker 13
00:27:30 Oh, what's this?Speaker 34
00:27:31 John Doe #2 remains at large.Speaker 35
00:27:35 He should be considered armed and extremely dangerous.Devon
00:27:40 Well, what? That's weird.00:27:43 Even Janet Reno is saying that there's another guy.
00:27:50 Ah, I'm sure it's nothing.
00:27:52 I'm sure it's absolutely nothing.
00:27:53 We'll get to that in a minute, guys.
00:27:55 I just.
00:27:56 I can't.
00:27:56 I just that that lying sack of **** like I just everything he says.
00:28:01 It's just like it's so ******* like it's so lying that it's just it's oh.
00:28:08 God anyway, sorry.
Speaker 15
00:28:12 The authorities released a sketch of him and were quickly inundated with literally thousands of calls and leads.Speaker 32
00:28:20 It seemed impossible that we would find this guy and then a state trooper.00:28:25 Saw the sketch and said yeah, that kind of looks like the guy that I arrested a couple of days ago.
00:28:30 Better make a phone call.
Speaker 13
00:28:32 Yeah, that's that's what happened.00:28:37 We'll get to it, son.
00:28:38 Ohh, you ******* God.
Devon
00:28:43 Such such a scumbag.00:28:46 I don't like.
00:28:46 Where do they find?
Speaker 13
00:28:47 These ***** anyway.Speaker 18
00:28:48 More than five hours today and here he is right there.00:28:51 The man with the.
00:28:52 Crew cut Timothy McVeigh, 27 years old.
Speaker 31
00:28:56 Tonight, McVeigh is behind the walls of the El Reno federal prison, isolated from the inmates.00:29:01 He is not cooperating with investigators.
Speaker 15
00:29:03 Investigators discover that McVeigh was a decorated army Sergeant who served in the Persian Gulf War.00:29:11 How did he come to feel betrayed by a government he had once sworn to defend? And what can Mcveigh's story teach us about the anger of some of the veterans who joined the mob on January 6th?
Devon
00:29:26 I don't know.00:29:27 I guess that all depends on if the veterans you're talking about are are current employees of the federal government.
00:29:35 Because many of them.
00:29:39 But but go on.
Speaker 28
00:29:41 That personal grievance for McVeigh is that he served honorably as a soldier in Desert Storm in Kuwait and in Iraq.00:29:50 He was called back to go through the Special Forces Assessment selection process, but the irony was that McVay was out of shape because he'd been in a Bradley fighting vehicle for months and hadn't been able to exercise.
00:30:02 So he failed the endurance run to be a green beret, which for him was being The Ultimate Warrior.
00:30:10 McVeigh was so humiliated and so angered by that rejection that he never returned.
00:30:16 He finished out his enlistment, and he left the US Army.
Speaker 8
00:30:26 Oh, my God. Wow. Wow.Speaker 14
00:30:38 So yeah, the official story is that he was.Speaker 13
00:30:43 He was in. He was.Speaker 14
00:30:46 I mean, I just can't let them.00:30:47 They're they're saying that with a straight face.
Devon
00:30:51 Ohh yeah, he was like this really.00:30:53 You know, really.
00:30:55 Gun ho, soldier.
00:30:56 That was, you know, he was gonna try out for special forces and then he he he went into war and was and and in fact was in charge of of protecting General Schwarzkopf and and like was decorated and and then when he came back.
00:31:12 It was so out of.
00:31:12 Shape from being at war.
Speaker 14
00:31:15 That he failed.Devon
00:31:16 The the Rock March like they're literally saying he couldn't do the rock March for special forces.00:31:25 And then he got so.
00:31:26 Mad he blew up a building.
Speaker 14
00:31:31 That's the story.Devon
00:31:33 That's OK.00:31:35 Just I I I'm sorry.
00:31:37 I'm not.
00:31:38 I'm not trying to insult your intelligence.
00:31:40 It's just that this.
Speaker 14
00:31:40 This this is what this is.Devon
00:31:42 What people think it's about to get a lot more annoying, by the way, like as they start to try to because they know it's a stupid story.00:31:50 They know it's the stupidest story you've ever heard, even like a stupid.
00:31:54 Person's like, really?
Speaker 13
00:31:58 That's what happened. So.Devon
00:32:00 This is where they have to swoop.00:32:01 In and throw all this like pop sight gobbledygook at you.
00:32:06 So like it makes sense.
00:32:08 So you have to be.
Speaker 11
00:32:08 Oh oh.Devon
00:32:11 Ohh, now I get it.00:32:13 It's because of like you know.
Speaker 36
00:32:15 He felt that the military didn't give him an opportunity to manifest his patriotism and love for his country, and that eventually transform into a very strong hostility and animosity towards the government.Devon
00:32:28 Oh, OK.00:32:30 OK.
00:32:31 So like, they wouldn't let him be patriotic.
00:32:34 He wanted so bad to be patriotic.
00:32:36 They wouldn't let him be patriotic, so then he decided to ******* blow.
00:32:40 Up a building and.
00:32:42 Do the exact opposite of what he was trying to do.
00:32:45 I go OK?
Speaker 36
00:32:47 He wanted mail.00:32:48 Really, to gain attention to what he perceived as America losing its identity because its government is so corrupt, eventually, he decided to do something about it.
Speaker 28
00:32:59 We see this with a lot of the lone actor terrorists. They will actually carry with them certain ambulance that signifies their connection to their cause and maybe they wore AT shirt.Devon
00:33:13 Ohh yeah yeah, totally.00:33:16 All terrorists.
00:33:17 They they carry these annulets around with them.
00:33:21 Now we see this all the time with these lone actors.
00:33:24 Oh my God. It's like a total textbook Lone wolf. They always have these amulets like this T-shirt for example.
00:33:32 That you could buy in any truck stop that says the Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
00:33:40 You know, God forbid that we have a a quote from a former president.
00:33:45 On on, on a, on a.
00:33:48 On a T.
00:33:49 You know, it's it's obvious.
00:33:51 Yeah, that's that's just domestic terrorists.
00:33:53 They have these amulets.
Speaker 28
00:33:55 With a quote from Thomas Jefferson on it.00:33:58 The Tree of Liberty must from time to time, be replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
00:34:04 For McVeigh, this was part of his identification as a new founding father, the first hero of the Second American Revolution.
00:34:13 In the car itself was a book.
00:34:14 Called the Turner diary.
Devon
00:34:22 So then they go into the Turner Diaries.00:34:24 For a little.
00:34:24 Bit yeah, which is fun.
00:34:29 And they try to tie that.
00:34:31 The funny thing is, they try to tie they they want so bad.
00:34:35 I don't know why they really want to tie the Turner.
00:34:38 Fire rays.
00:34:39 To January 6th and this this hokey little.
00:34:45 Gallows like this, like these couple of two by fours.
00:34:48 Someone nailed together and threw a rope on like they they they really want you to think that the people at like the queue ***** on January 6th.
00:34:57 We're really going to try to hang Mike Pence.
Speaker 28
00:35:03 Of what I think is an iconic photograph of the capital and the representation of a noose is a direct threat back to the Turner Diaries of book, which I have here, the hangings have helped everyone get off the fence in a hurry.00:35:18 I'm sure that without the forceful lesson of this day of the rope, we would not have so quickly elicited this sort of citizen cooperation.
00:35:25 The hangings have helped.
00:35:45 And this notion of the first people to be executed are going to be the traitors.
00:35:50 And then, of course we saw that.
Devon
00:35:59 So yeah, we.00:36:00 Had something up on the Internet and.
00:36:02 Then I forgot.
00:36:03 To unmute myself when I when I reset that.
00:36:05 So if you listen, you listen to the recording.
00:36:07 It just got quiet for like a minute.
00:36:08 So I apologize for that.
00:36:11 Yeah. Anyway, so.
00:36:15 ******* Internet.
00:36:15 It's every stream.
00:36:17 It just hiccups.
00:36:18 That went well.
00:36:19 Hopefully knock on wood that one time.
00:36:21 It always hiccups like in the first.
00:36:23 Like like hour or so.
00:36:25 I don't know why and it's always on.
00:36:27 Well, it's always something on, like a danger word like day of the rope.
00:36:33 Anyway, so they talked about day of the rope for a while.
00:36:36 They they start interviewing the son of the author of day of the Rope, William Pierce.
00:36:43 Kelvin Pierce, who is a whiny little liberal now, and he cries about his dad, says dad was mean and that he was scared when he saw January 6th because it was.
00:36:57 It was all it was, all the hate that his dad had had, you know, somehow put into the world.
00:37:03 All this garbage, so they they go on this crazy, you know, detour about the Turner Diaries, they, you know anyway.
00:37:11 And then they go, they finally get back to which by the.
Speaker
00:37:14 OK.Devon
00:37:15 We'll get into it.00:37:16 We'll get into it.
00:37:18 But you know it's we'll we'll get into it later.
Speaker 15
00:37:22 The FBI uncovered links between McVeigh and far right anti government militias.Speaker 37
00:37:29 Someone had said that Timothy McVeigh was a member of the Michigan militia, and he had attended a meeting.Speaker 30
00:37:37 So this.Devon
00:37:37 This is kind of funny.00:37:39 Again, they put this in here unironically, so this is this guy.
00:37:44 Here is a member of the Michigan militia, or at least I don't know, maybe former, but.
00:37:49 But at the time was.
00:37:53 And he's describing exactly the kind of behavior that militias all over the United States described when talking about Timothy McVeigh, that all of a sudden, out of nowhere, out of nowhere, this guy shows up.
00:38:08 And he's like.
00:38:09 Hey guys.
00:38:10 Want to go blow up some buildings, huh.
00:38:12 That sounds like fun.
Speaker 11
00:38:13 Huh. Yeah.Speaker 37
00:38:17 Someone had said that Timothy McVeigh was a member of the Michigan militia, and he had attended a meeting.00:38:22 And he was asked to leave.
00:38:25 I don't know the specifics of.
00:38:27 What he said. But.
00:38:28 When you are thrown out of a Michigan.
00:38:29 Militia meeting you?
00:38:30 You have spouted something.
00:38:31 Off pretty bad, and that was the entire connection.
00:38:39 After the Murrah bombing in Oklahoma City, we lost easily 80% of our members, probably more.
00:38:46 A lot of people said I know we didn't do.
00:38:48 It, But I'm losing business or my boss is going to fire.
00:38:52 Me, I have to quit.
00:38:53 OK, bye.
00:38:56 The people that remained were the ones who were not gonna wilt.
00:39:00 When the sun got hot, if.
00:39:02 You know what I'm saying?
Devon
00:39:05 So it destroyed a lot of.00:39:07 The militia movement, mission accomplished, you might say.
00:39:16 You had a Timothy McVeigh show up to all these different meetings. Look, he showed up at Bill Cooper's house.
00:39:24 Around this same time, I was like, hey, you want to talk to me, my friend, about maybe blowing up some buildings?
00:39:32 And Bill Cooper told him to **** ***.
00:39:38 The the Michigan militia kicked him out and like the guy said, like if.
00:39:41 We're kicking you out.
00:39:42 You're like.
00:39:43 ******* glowing hard.
00:39:46 You know, because we say some crazy stuff.
00:39:48 And if you're getting kicked out by us, you're saying, like, really crazy ****.
00:39:54 So then they try to connect it to.
00:39:55 They literally use this.
00:39:57 They use.
00:39:58 They use people waving tech flags.
00:40:01 Like, there's your domestic terrorists right there.
00:40:04 You guys see the domestic terrorists.
00:40:07 Inspired by Timothy McVeigh.
00:40:11 January 6th it was just it was.
00:40:13 Oh my God, it was so violent and scary.
Speaker 28
00:40:17 I was there for portions of the trial and.Devon
00:40:21 Why am I not surprised?00:40:25 Seems like everyone they're they're talking to played some kind of role in all of these operations, but do do go on.
Speaker 28
00:40:34 Was able to not only study McVeigh indirectly, but also observe him at trial, invariably with the lone actor terrorist.00:40:45 There's moral outrage toward a suffering group where you actually vicariously identify with the group that is.
00:40:54 His moral outrage was his identification with the suffering at Ruby Ridge amongst the Weaver family and the suffering of the men, women and children that had died at Waco.
Speaker 38
00:41:08 And it's the fault of the media as well as our government leaders for failing to label these ideologically motivated acts as terrorism.00:41:16 A body count has nothing to do with whether a violent act is terrorism or not.
Devon
00:41:22 By the way, he's he's not.00:41:24 He's talking about right wing protesters.
00:41:29 This fagots like, Oh yeah, it doesn't matter if they're if they're actually killing people or not.
00:41:33 It's it's still terrorism.
00:41:36 Again, without a hint of irony, without even for a second, thinking about like, WOW, if January 6 with terrorism, then we got to arrest, like, I don't know, 13% of the country.
Speaker 38
00:41:50 Of the media as well as our government leaders for failing to label these ideologically motivated acts as terrorism a body.Devon
00:41:58 It's the media's fault.00:42:00 It's the media.
00:42:01 The media is just they're just too soft on right wingers.
Speaker 38
00:42:05 Any count has nothing to do with whether a violent act is terrorism or not.00:42:08 It's whether it's ideologically motivated violence meant to instill fear in a community or influence government policy.
00:42:15 You don't have to kill anybody in order to commit a terrorist act.
Speaker 22
00:42:20 Hey, where they killed the talking boat.Speaker 1
00:42:23 Where they killed.Speaker 15
00:42:27 More than two years after the deadly attack, McVeigh was found guilty and sentenced to death.Speaker 39
00:42:38 It's tribal, it's pathological.00:42:43 Elections are there to determine winners, and you have to accept the results.
Speaker 40
00:42:48 January 6th was, you know, a perfect example of, you know, the election was stolen and we have to do something about it.Devon
00:43:02 So there you go.00:43:04 It was totally a insurrection.
00:43:10 Inspired by domestic terrorists.
00:43:13 Like Timothy McVeigh.
00:43:23 I want you to listen to.
00:43:27 A clip here before we dive into what really happened in Oklahoma City.
00:43:34 And who, exactly?
00:43:35 Timothy McVeigh really was?
Speaker 13
00:43:37 Who he worked for.Devon
00:43:40 This is called pacon addition.00:43:45 For a reason.
00:43:47 And this guy is going to discuss briefly what that reason is.
Speaker 41
00:43:51 FBI began to distance itself from Pat Gone when I was probing and they said it was just a simple operation where they're going to infiltrate some militia folks in Alabama who had stolen some night vision goggles from a military base and were selling them.00:44:07 But it was clear to me that Pencon was bigger than that much, much bigger.
00:44:11 And there were pacon operations going on all over the.
00:44:14 Country and they would they referred to as Pacon Group One, Pat Con Group, 2PAC Con Group 3.
Speaker 42
00:44:22 Pat Cole, meaning that's the FBI's name for their wide scale. You say investigation and infiltration of the radical right in the early mid 1990s.Speaker 41
00:44:33 And they went, apparently went throughout the 90s because here last summer I received a phone call from a fellow who said.00:44:44 Been seeing what's been posted on the Internet from your four year lawsuits with the FBI and now they said you have all the pieces, but you just haven't.
00:44:51 Put them together.
00:44:53 And I said, what do you mean?
00:44:54 He said, well, you just don't see the pictures.
00:44:56 And so he came to see me and I I directed him to Newsweek magazine and to.
00:45:04 Some other reporters he had been one of the top undercover operatives.
00:45:10 For the FBI and Patton.
00:45:13 For almost 10 years, he had infiltrated some 23 groups. He started out believing it was the right thing.
00:45:20 He wasn't, you know, so many of these informants are people who were caught in the act of committing a crime and are forced to go undercover for the FBI.
00:45:29 He did it voluntarily because he thought these hate groups.
00:45:33 Described him as hate groups were dangerous in hindsight, he said.
00:45:36 He looked back on it and he sees now that the the agenda, the agenda was to infiltrate and incite.
00:45:45 The militia movement, the right wing Christian.
00:45:47 Movement the violence.
00:45:49 So that the Department of Justice could crush them.
00:45:52 He said that Ruby Ridge was a pacon operation.
00:45:55 He said that Waco was the Pacon operation.
00:45:57 He believed that Oklahoma City was, but he wasn't involved in it.
00:46:01 But he did say that other members of the.
00:46:04 Econ Group were involved in Oklahoma City.
Devon
00:46:10 So pat, con.00:46:13 Was a code word for a program that the FBI had throughout the 90s and.
00:46:19 I'm sure the same kind of program either exists today or perhaps under a different name, but the you know.
00:46:26 I I really doubt that that kind of.
00:46:27 Behavior has has stopped.
00:46:30 But throughout the 90s, probably in the 80s as well.
00:46:34 They had several groups that would infiltrate militia movements, Christian movements.
00:46:42 Remember, they they even today the FBI.
00:46:47 Classifies pro-life groups.
00:46:50 As potential domestic terrorists, those you're an extremist.
00:46:56 Which I mean it makes sense like if you have an FBI that's run by the kinds of people that we know.
00:47:01 Run the FBI.
00:47:03 And you're anti abortion.
00:47:05 That's an extremist position.
00:47:09 They don't even know anyone that's pro-life. If you work at the FBI, you probably don't know anyone, like, at least at at the the offices in in Virginia.
00:47:20 If you work in DC or Virginia or Virginia, you probably don't know anyone.
00:47:24 That's pro-life.
00:47:29 So of course it sounds like an extremist position.
00:47:36 And so all throughout the 80s and 90s, they're infiltrating these right wing groups.
00:47:42 That may or may not even have a militia element to them.
00:47:46 Many of them, as he said, were coerced into doing it like they were trying to do with Randy Weaver.
00:47:55 At Ruby red.
00:47:56 Where they they they convinced him to saw off a shotgun and then said that they were going to charge him with, you know, the federal violation of, you know, manufacturing a sawed off shotgun.
00:48:09 They're going to throw the book at him unless unless he turned into a snitch.
00:48:13 For him.
00:48:14 And that's how they.
00:48:15 Got a lot of these guys.
00:48:18 They would.
00:48:18 They would coerce them or they would, they would.
00:48:21 Uh, I'm sure.
00:48:22 Pay them off or, you know, they would.
00:48:25 They would look for these people.
00:48:28 That would want to save their own skin.
00:48:31 And so they would turn into.
00:48:34 You know spies essentially, but in the case this guy, this other guy that he was dealing with, this guy was.
00:48:42 And he volunteered.
00:48:43 He wanted to do it.
00:48:46 You thought these quote UN quote hate groups were?
00:48:49 Dangerous, he said.
00:48:51 But then he realized.
00:48:54 That the actual motive.
00:48:57 Was to try to stir up.
00:49:02 Violence in these groups.
00:49:06 Much in the same way that we just saw with the the the, the supposed plot against the Michigan governor.
00:49:14 The supposed plot the FBI foiled when almost everyone involved was literally an FBI agent or informant.
00:49:25 Aside from, like, some homeless guy.
00:49:28 Who was acquitted?
00:49:33 So they're still doing it.
00:49:35 Whether or not they call it Pat Con anymore, who knows.
00:49:40 But they've been doing it a long time and they were particularly nervous back in the 90s because in the 90s the culture was much different.
00:49:50 80s and 90s.
00:49:51 The culture was way different.
00:49:53 You had and you got to think about two.
00:49:56 You had a lot of people who had had served in Vietnam.
00:50:02 And so they had combat experience.
00:50:04 A lot of these guys, you know, that that were in these militias.
00:50:09 Not only had combat experience, but pretty ****** ** combat experience.
00:50:16 You also had a a time that was in the time in American history where you could you could buy a lot of explosives.
00:50:24 You could buy fully automatic weapons.
00:50:27 You know the Brady bill didn't happen until the 90s.
00:50:31 And the bill that the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:50:35 Got passed.
00:50:37 Didn't happen to the late 90s that restricted.
00:50:41 The availability of explosives.
00:50:48 So they they needed.
00:50:52 To tamp down any possible resistance that they might have down the road.
00:51:00 Because again, it's the same ******* people.
00:51:03 The same people today.
00:51:05 That are pushing ****** **** and all this other.
00:51:08 Stuff were the people that were in charge of.
00:51:13 Of the legislation that neutered with the legislation and the the programs like PAC Con.
00:51:20 That neutered the right wing.
00:51:27 So this here is Timothy Mcveigh's lawyer.
00:51:32 I have a bunch of clips.
00:51:33 Unfortunately, because there's so many.
00:51:37 Not all of them are smoothly.
00:51:40 Are perfectly placed, but they're all grouped together.
Speaker 39
00:51:45 We're talking about people that are interviewed on Wednesday.Devon
00:51:49 OK, so sorry I had to apply the first part to remember remind myself what?00:51:53 It was so we talked briefly about how there were two people seeing, so let's start from the beginning.
00:52:01 The beginning was.
00:52:03 Timothy McVeigh.
00:52:05 All by himself went and rented a Ryder truck.
00:52:10 And then.
Speaker 13
00:52:12 Filled it, filled like.Devon
00:52:13 They didn't talk about this in the the propaganda piece, but the official story is he and a friend of his.00:52:21 Filled it full of explosives.
00:52:25 Made with ammonium nitrate or I think that's what it was.
00:52:30 And in 50 gallon drums in the back of the Ryder truck.
00:52:37 Took it to the and then then just Timothy McVeigh.
00:52:44 Drove it to the federal building.
00:52:49 And blew it up.
00:52:51 Well, as we saw the director of the FBI, Janet Reno, like lots of people in the early days, they were looking for a John Doe.
00:53:01 #2 they were looking for a second person somehow involved in this. It wasn't just Timothy McVeigh. They even had a sketch of this guy.
00:53:11 Right.
00:53:12 Lots and lots of people claim to have seen another person.
00:53:16 So this is Timothy Mcveigh's lawyer.
00:53:18 Talking about that.
Speaker 39
00:53:20 At night and in the afternoon about events that happened 48 hours before in a small room in a business that only has half a dozen or fewer employees, they rent one rider or truck a day, so it's not like it's Grand Central Station or Walmart, where there's 500 people.00:53:41 Going through and you might mistake one now.
Devon
00:53:46 So he's saying, look, there's there's no one like, it's a sleepy little town that's, you know, rents one ride or truck a day, 48 hours go by before they talk to them and they they it's not like it was from a week ago. They they maybe had one other customer since then rent a Ryder truck.00:54:07 And so it was fresh in their minds.
00:54:08 They're like, oh, yeah, it was these two guys.
00:54:10 Here's what they look.
00:54:13 And then this woman here.
00:54:16 She's uh, I forget if.
00:54:18 It's she's a it doesn't matter.
00:54:20 She's a family of one of the victims.
00:54:23 She hears that there's this other guy.
00:54:26 And that they changed the story to it just being Timothy McVeigh later on.
00:54:30 So she goes down to the same writer place and asked them.
00:54:34 Well, well, wait.
00:54:35 Was there, was it, you know, who?
00:54:37 Who was it?
00:54:37 Just Timothy McVeigh or.
00:54:38 Was it some other person?
Speaker 43
00:54:40 To Elliott's Body Shop and I spoke to Mr. Elliott. I told him who I was, and I said.00:54:49 I would like for you to tell me what happened the day Tim came to rent the ride a truck and he said.
00:54:57 You mean the day Tim and his friend came?
00:55:01 And I said Tim wasn't by himself.
00:55:04 He said no, ma'am.
Devon
00:55:09 And again.00:55:10 They had two mug shots.
00:55:12 It was in all the newspapers.
00:55:15 It was in all the news broadcasts.
00:55:18 They're looking for two different guys.
00:55:24 This is one of the guys that.
00:55:25 Saw two different guys.
Speaker 44
00:55:28 They stepped out of the track.00:55:29 I walked.
00:55:29 Him over to.
00:55:32 Let's say 1011 feet away from the truck itself.
00:55:35 I pointed a direction downtown, which is to my right.
00:55:37 He seemed knowledge where I was talking about.
00:55:41 At that time, the gentleman walked back to the truck.
00:55:43 I talked to him.
00:55:43 I also noticed there was a passenger.
00:55:46 In the truck at that time.
Speaker 45
00:55:47 I know for a fact Timothy McVeigh was with another individual on the morning of April 19th, right before the bombing.Devon
00:55:59 So the official story was there was there was two people, they had a $2,000,000 reward, you know, like they they went to the the motel where Timothy McVeigh was supposedly staying with the Ryder truck.00:56:16 And when the maid saw this sketch?
00:56:22 From you know, that was supposed to be John Doe #2.
00:56:26 She said.
00:56:29 Quote my God who did the sketch?
00:56:33 It looks just like him.
Speaker 33
00:56:40 The FBI's former deputy assistant director Danny Coulson now questions the official version on the day of the bombing, he was in charge at the crime scene.Devon
00:56:52 So even the FBI agent.00:56:55 Who was in charge of the crime scene?
00:56:58 Is is now thinking there's something screwy with this.
00:57:02 This is ****** **.
00:57:05 There's no way all these witnesses got it wrong.
00:57:08 There was.
00:57:08 There was definitely another guy.
Speaker 33
00:57:11 Carson believes the FBI might not have caught everyone involved in the attack.Speaker 46
00:57:16 We know there were 24 people that were interviewed by the FBI. They said they saw Mr. McVeigh on April 19th with someone else and they had no reason to to make it up.00:57:24 They didn't have a dog in that fight.
00:57:26 They didn't have any reason to just to make something up, they they told the agents exactly what they saw and the agents wrote it down.
Speaker 14
00:57:32 With only one person.Speaker 46
00:57:33 Seen here two or three, but 24.00:57:35 24 people say yes, I saw him with.
00:57:37 Somebody else. That's pretty powerful.
Devon
00:57:41 So 24 different witnesses, including the people that rented the truck.00:57:47 Claimed that there were two people.
00:57:53 But somehow it just magically went to one and we'll we'll we'll discuss perhaps maybe why.
Speaker 13
00:57:58 That why that might be.Speaker 23
00:58:01 5 feet 9 inches to five feet 10 inches tall, weighing approximately 175 to 80 pounds with brown hair and a tattoo visible on his left arm below his T-shirt sleeve.Speaker 47
00:58:16 It was a perfect match.00:58:18 He was stopped.
00:58:20 Coming across the border in San Diego from visiting his.
Devon
00:58:26 So this guy here.00:58:29 Is telling you a what happened to his brother?
00:58:34 His brother had had some trouble with the law.
00:58:37 He had robbed some banks, been involved in some armed robbery.
00:58:43 But had done his time and had had kind of settled down and married, got married and and had a kid.
00:58:54 And one day he's crossing the border from Mexico because his his wife was Mexican.
00:59:03 He gets stopped at the border.
00:59:05 And they look up his background, they see that he used to be a bank robber, and they also look at his, his tattoo.
00:59:16 And they say, oh, well, we're going to haul you in because you're violating parole.
00:59:22 And for some, and this is in California.
00:59:25 This is in California for those of you in in, not in America, that's really far away from Oklahoma.
00:59:33 So imagine, like, I don't know, Oklahoma would be like.
00:59:40 And this happens in England, OK, like, and they're like they they they pull you over, they get you for a a parole violation.
00:59:51 And they're like, oh, we have to ship you over to Italy for some reason.
01:00:00 For some reason, they say we have to.
01:00:01 Transfer you to.
01:00:03 To Oklahoma.
01:00:05 And he's like, all right.
01:00:06 And he calls his brother, who's a lawyer.
01:00:10 And says, yeah, they're they're transferring me to.
01:00:13 Oklahoma for some reason.
Speaker 47
01:00:15 Some of his wife's family.01:00:18 The next thing we know, he's in Oklahoma and he's dead 2 days later.
Speaker 33
01:00:23 Jesse wanted to preserve the evidence. He filmed his brother's body.01:00:28 He believes interrogators beat Kenneth to death, thinking he was a mystery bomber.
Speaker 47
01:00:34 He receives 2 -, 3 massive blows to the head.01:00:38 So severe that had ruptured his scalp to the skull and these were massive injuries, he was literally beaten head to toe, front to back, even the soles of his feet had been beaten and his throat had been slashed.
Devon
01:00:55 But he committed suicide.01:00:58 So while in federal custody for a parole violation that would have nothing to do.
01:01:03 With the FBI.
01:01:06 You know that his judge was in California.
01:01:08 You know, his parole officer was in California.
01:01:11 It was California.
01:01:12 Like, the FBI should not have been involved at all.
01:01:15 They sent them to Oklahoma City for no reason.
01:01:20 And then they call up his family and say, oh, he committed suicide.
01:01:26 So they get his body.
01:01:29 Initially, the body shows up covered in makeup.
01:01:35 So he washes his brother, washes the makeup off, and sees that he's been beat to death.
01:01:43 And his throat has been cut.
01:01:53 He tries to contact the FBI and get more information on it.
01:01:59 And you can probably imagine how well that went.
Speaker 48
01:02:13 And if Trinity was found dead in his cell at Oklahoma City's Federal Transfer Center in August of 1995, he had been awaiting a parole violation hearing. His death was ruled a suicide.01:02:24 Investigators claimed Trinity hanged himself.
01:02:27 Blood was found splattered throughout his cell and pictures revealed Grenado had numerous cuts and bruises all over his body.
01:02:34 Both local and federal.
Speaker 14
01:02:36 Looks like suicide to me.Devon
01:02:40 He beat himself to death.01:02:44 Isn't that always how people commit suicide?
Speaker 48
01:02:48 Well, investigators ruled they were self-inflicted.Devon
01:02:53 Those are self-inflicted wounds guys.01:03:01 It's all self-inflicted.
01:03:03 Wait till you see.
01:03:04 This isn't even like the worst one.
01:03:07 Hope you guys aren't squeamish.
01:03:10 This is what it looked like before the FBI.
01:03:14 This is what it looked like after the FBI.
Speaker 41
01:03:27 What we never had was a motive for his death.01:03:31 People would say to you why.
Speaker 14
01:03:34 This is.Devon
01:03:36 This is the brother, Jesse Trent to do, which, by the way, I didn't put that because there's just so much from this guy, this guy, if you want to hear the full interview with James Corbett, I highly recommend it.01:03:50 It's just really long longer than because it's tonight's going our long one.
01:03:54 It's more time than what we've got.
01:03:57 But he does he he went on, basically a mission.
01:04:01 The reason why we have a lot of this information is he was a lawyer and, you know, he knew the process and had the ability to to.
01:04:12 Work with the system in a way that many people who don't have that background would know how to navigate.
01:04:18 And so he started doing Freedom of Information Act requests, trying to get all the information he could trying to figure out what the hell happened to his brother.
01:04:28 He knew that, you know, obviously something was up.
01:04:31 You know, they he knew that his brother didn't commit suicide.
01:04:34 That was for damn sure.
01:04:36 And so he was just trying to figure out why the FBI.
01:04:39 Was lying.
01:04:41 And so, at a certain point, again, I was talking about, it's always the same ******* people, right?
01:04:47 Always the same people.
01:04:51 The AG.
01:04:54 Under Obama, not not Loretta Lynch, but the what's it?
01:05:00 The guy who did the fast and furious stuff?
01:05:02 Why am I blanking on that?
Speaker 12
01:05:06 Let me see Obama AG.Devon
01:05:11 Yeah, Eric Holder.01:05:13 So Eric Holder.
01:05:15 When he got some of the Freedom of Information Act requests, Obamas AG.
01:05:20 You know well, you know it.
01:05:21 Would who would later become Obama's AG Eric Holder, was involved in trying to cover this up? He had inner he had emails where and.
Speaker 14
01:05:32 They they think it's a big *******.Devon
01:05:34 There was there was an e-mail where he, Eric Holder says.01:05:40 There's Trent to doors and there's Trent to don'ts.
01:05:43 And they were talking about how they had to get rid of certain things because he was sending in too many Freedom of Information Act requests.
01:05:50 So anyway, I I recommend.
01:05:51 Checking out the full I.
01:05:52 Think the full interviews like over an hour long.
01:05:55 But you can find it on corbettreport.com and it's it's pretty easy to find. It's on bit shoot and other things too.
Speaker 41
01:06:08 With the federal government torture and he was tortured and murdered your brother and we had no explanation for that.01:06:16 Another thing about the case that was always unexplainable was the fact that so much evidence disappeared.
01:06:23 My brother was supposedly found with blood stained clothing, but when his body was turned over to the medical examiner.
01:06:28 Two hours later, his clothes are gone.
01:06:31 He's wearing nothing but boxer shorts.
01:06:33 The video camera, supposedly that would monitor access to my brother's malfunctioned. The log books that would have shown who came and went from the institution with access to my brother either disappeared or the pages on the date my brother was there dates my brother was there.
01:06:53 We're point out.
01:06:55 The crime scene photographs disappear.
01:06:58 The medical examiner is not allowed access to the death scene.
01:07:03 When he finally is allowed access to the death scene four months later, it had been.
01:07:11 Payment and cleaned up.
01:07:13 And this is all done by the the FBI.
01:07:18 And the Department of Justice, and we could never understand why this kind of resistance was coming from the government.
01:07:25 First, they had cameras that actually showed the truck being driven up to the Murrah Building Park.
Devon
01:07:31 OK. So obviously, just like Epstein, everything's Oh my God, the cameras, they all stopped working exactly when he suicided himself. And like, oh, look at that. All the evidence is.01:07:44 Yeah, of course, obviously.
01:07:45 And but this is what happens when you don't ******* stop it back in the 90s.
01:07:51 It just keeps going cause it's the same *************.
01:07:55 It's the same *************.
01:07:57 It's the same people doing this ****.
01:08:00 Because no one holds them accountable, no one.
Speaker 14
01:08:05 So why would they stop?01:08:08 Why we if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
Devon
01:08:13 Their formula works.01:08:14 Why would they change it?
01:08:26 And look, it's and it's not, this is this is 911. This is Epstein. This all this ****. It's the same ******* **** over and same people over and over and over again. Nothing ever ******* happens.
01:08:40 So then he started this is the later in the interview he's talking about how after he realized that.
01:08:49 His brother fit the description of John Doe #2, and it was right in that window of the Oklahoma bombing. Like that was right when it happened. He had a reporter actually call him up and say.
01:09:03 Can you describe your brother to me? And he did. He's like, holy ****. Yeah, you realize that? That's they probably thought it was John Doe #2.
01:09:10 Because he had the tattoo, he had a bank robbing background, which is, uh, goes along with some of the white supremacist groups at the time that they were trying to infiltrate, they had they, they would fund themselves by, you know, robbing armored cars and and doing some bank robberies.
01:09:31 Bank robberies were like way easier to do back in the 80s and 90s.
01:09:35 And a lot of a shocking amount of bank robberies took place in the 80s and 90s.
01:09:40 And so they were saying, you know, like or the guy.
01:09:43 Said like, yeah, look, that's probably why that's probably what happened.
01:09:47 Is they thought your brother was John Doe number?
01:09:50 Two and at any rate, so.
01:09:53 He starts asking.
01:09:55 I mean, he's he's trying to foil anything and everything.
01:09:58 And having to do with Oklahoma City.
01:10:03 And he asked for the tapes.
01:10:06 That show the truck.
01:10:11 Because supposedly there's a tape that shows the truck pulling up to the front of the federal building.
01:10:17 And again, just like the Pentagon right there, there ought to be cameras showing that stuff, right?
01:10:24 It's a federal building.
01:10:27 They have cameras everywhere, just like just like a.
01:10:30 Bank or a casino or something like that.
01:10:32 It's not like the.
01:10:33 Technology didn't exist.
01:10:36 So he starts asking for the the footage.
Speaker 41
01:10:39 First, they had cameras that actually showed the truck being driven up to the mural building park and the people getting out well, the FBI says there was only one person in that truck.01:10:48 And it was.
01:10:48 Tim McVay.
01:10:49 Well, there was more than one person in that truck and the other person was probably an informant.
01:10:55 You would think.
01:10:55 That tape would have been exhibit one in the McVeigh murder trial.
01:11:00 No one's ever seen it, but the government. So I filed a Freedom of Information Act request and I asked for this.
01:11:05 I said I want the surveillance tapes from the exterior cameras on these buildings leading on the route leading up to the motor building.
01:11:13 So which area for the route?
01:11:15 And they took that morning?
01:11:16 These tapes were showing that truck.
01:11:18 And who was in it with him?
01:11:20 And I said, I also want the surveillance tapes from the Alpha P mural building.
01:11:24 There were two cameras on the outside of that.
01:11:25 Building they would have clearly shown.
01:11:28 Who was with McVeigh in that truck? Well, the FBI produces 26 tapes from the other buildings, not the more willing. And these tapes at strategic moments go blank.
01:11:43 And not all at the same time.
01:11:44 But it's, you know, the building further this away goes blank for a few seconds.
01:11:49 The tape does the tape from the next building goes blank a little long afterwards for a few seconds and and so on, leading up to the mural booth so that the moment that truck was being driven by these tapes mysteriously go blank.
Devon
01:12:03 So they meticulously went through all of the footage they had confiscated from all the surrounding buildings and erased the portion of the tape where the rider truck would have been driving up to the building.01:12:18 I wonder why?
01:12:21 I wonder why?
Speaker 49
01:12:28 John Doe #2 John doe #2.Speaker 50
01:12:31 John Doe #2.Speaker 34
01:12:32 Well, the key document I think for me was the January 4, 1996 teletype from their director of the FBI, Louis Free to a number.01:12:41 Of field offices.
Speaker 33
01:12:46 Although the name in the document is blacked out, the gap makes up 23 letters and spaces.01:12:53 The same amount as Andreas Karl Strauss Meyer.
01:12:58 If correct, the document shows McVeigh made another attempt to call Strassner just two days before the bombing.
Devon
01:13:07 So there's some speculation.01:13:11 That John Doe #2 could be.
01:13:16 This German guy named Strauss Meyer.
01:13:20 Or he could just be a spook.
01:13:23 You might not have been in the truck.
01:13:25 But this German guy named Strauss Meyer.
01:13:29 Magically shows up.
01:13:32 In the United States.
01:13:35 With with no valid visa.
01:13:38 And starts doing what Timothy McVeigh was doing.
01:13:42 He starts going to like white supremacist communities and militia groups and just starts time like, hey, it would be, it would be kind of awesome to blow up some ******* federal buildings.
Speaker 11
01:13:53 Duh. Duh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.01:13:58 On on broke federal building.
01:14:00 Yeah, yeah.
Devon
01:14:02 I don't.01:14:02 I can't do a.
01:14:03 German accent.
01:14:06 But this guy just comes out of ******* nowhere.
01:14:12 Then after the bombing and Tim oh, by the way, and phone records showed that Timothy McVeigh.
01:14:18 I called the guy twice.
01:14:22 And then after the bombing.
Speaker 14
01:14:24 He's escorted.Speaker 13
01:14:26 By CIA agents.Devon
01:14:30 Back to Germany via Mexico, they sneak him out of the United States.01:14:37 And the FBI puts out a notice telling people not to investigate him.
01:14:47 And then they call there and then to say that they interviewed him after he safely back in Germany.
01:14:53 They call him on the phone and.
01:14:55 Basically, say so did you do the bombing and?
01:14:57 He was like, no, no, no or 9.
01:15:03 And then they're like, OK, cool.
01:15:05 And like, that's it.
Speaker 33
01:15:09 It also shows a source had told the FBI that Strassman allegedly had a lengthy relationship with Timothy McVeigh and the FBI knew in advance that Strauss Meyer was planning to leave the US via Mexico.Speaker 34
01:15:25 You know you can't look at this and come to any other conclusion.01:15:29 I think any reasonable person, when you look at it in totality.
01:15:33 You're going to conclude.
01:15:34 That Andy Strauss Meyer is protected.
01:15:37 Well, Strasbourg is a strange duck in anybody's book. There's nothing in Strauss Meier's files that is routine, meets normal expectations, or is done in accordance with what we discovered were standard procedures in effect at the time, Andrew Andrew.
Speaker 39
01:15:55 You have.01:15:57 Russ Meyer is a German who's overstayed in this country, who has expressed to a government agent and informant that he wants to kill government employees.
01:16:07 Blow up federal bill.
01:16:08 Things that he is a director of security at Elham City, he wears a swastika.
01:16:17 He's a man of mystery.
01:16:20 And yet, even though he knows our client, even though our client tried to call him, the government's not interested in talking with him.
Devon
01:16:35 So they literally smuggled him back to Germany.01:16:39 They have no interest in talking to him.
01:16:42 At the time, there was a lot of joint efforts going on between Israel.
01:16:50 Germany and the United States.
01:16:53 To combat white supremacists.
Speaker 46
01:16:58 He was never interviewed by the FBI agents.01:16:59 He was interviewed by two assistant United States attorneys with an FBI agent present on the phone but taking notes, but that it was never a face to face.
01:17:07 Sit down and come to Jesus meeting with the FBI that never occurred.
01:17:11 There's a lot of questions.
01:17:12 Who he?
01:17:12 Is who works for.
01:17:13 Does he work for?
01:17:14 For someone in the United States?
01:17:16 Does he work for the federal government or did he work for a government overseas?
01:17:18 Did he work for the Israelis?
01:17:20 The Israel?
Devon
01:17:22 Uh oh, this guy's asking too many questions. He better hope he's got life insurance the same way Waco should have hoped they had fire insurance.Speaker 46
01:17:31 Did he work for the Israelis?01:17:33 The Israelis certainly have a interest in looking at Neo Nazis I.
01:17:35 Mean because their history.
01:17:37 The Germans have a significant problem with Neo Nazis in their country, and they were not happy with our investigations here.
01:17:44 Was he working for them?
01:17:45 I don't know the answer to it.
01:17:46 What I do know is he wasn't just bumming around.
Speaker 13
01:17:52 Yeah. So.Devon
01:17:54 Yeah, basically.01:17:58 You have this German intelligence operative who's I mean, clearly a German intelligence operative involved.
01:18:06 Who might have been John Doe #2?
01:18:10 And if he wasn't John Doe, number two was absolutely an intelligence operative trying to infiltrate right wing militias and white supremacist groups.
01:18:23 The town in particular they mentioned was Elohim.
01:18:28 Uh, what ******* state is?
01:18:30 I I forget it's it's some little tiny real tiny Christian identity.
01:18:42 Where he lived for a while, and it's also where Timothy McVeigh had been for a while.
01:18:48 There's a lot of documents that basically.
01:18:52 That basically show that almost half the town, at least during times in the 90s or in the 90s, were half the town was basically federal informants.
01:19:06 And that there was a lot of.
01:19:09 Interest in this town by group the CIA had actually flown one of their reconnaissance satellites over the town.
01:19:21 For a while, so it's.
01:19:25 You know, this is what it looked like.
01:19:31 So does that does that look like John Doe #2? I mean, I don't.
01:19:33 Know could be.
01:19:36 Let me see if I can let.
01:19:37 Me see if I.
01:19:37 Can put them aside side by side.
01:19:41 I got to find the.
01:19:43 The sketch for John Doe #2 again here. Let's see.
Speaker 25
01:19:50 That's not it.Devon
01:19:54 Alright, so here's John doe #2.01:19:59 Let me see if I can put.
01:19:59 Them side by side here.
01:20:24 I mean, you know.
01:20:30 Could be.
01:20:32 Let me see if I can.
01:20:33 Do a better job of this.
01:20:43 I mean, it's possible.
01:20:45 Who knows?
Speaker 52
01:20:52 Strasbourg is an interesting carry for these documents we got from the court.01:20:56 It's my understanding is a German intelligence officer.
01:20:59 He is apparently after the bombing.
01:21:04 Taken out of the country by a.
01:21:05 Former CIA operative back to Germany.
01:21:08 His visa, as I understand, had expired.
01:21:11 And no one picked him up.
01:21:13 And he smuggled out through Mexico and back to Germany for the things.
01:21:16 That would.
Speaker 53
01:21:17 Be most productive.Speaker 52
01:21:18 To getting with the truth.01:21:20 It was the discovery of an operation the FBI had in place since about 1991 called Pacon TCN.
Devon
01:21:30 So here he's just talking about Pat Cohn again.01:21:32 Basically says the same thing he said in the.
01:21:37 The other interview.
Speaker 52
01:21:40 Every Neo Nazi group.01:21:42 Every group critical of the government in the United States, the plan apparently was to put informants in with all.
Speaker 6
01:21:49 Of these groups, when we interviewed Jane Graham, who's a survivor.01:21:54 She said that when she went to work it was either the day before or two days before.
01:21:58 I don't remember which she parked in the basement parking and when she got out of her car it was walking across.
01:22:03 The parking garage.
01:22:05 She saw three guys down there wearing coveralls and placing putty on the columns and stringing wire.
01:22:13 Between the putty later, she picks out one of the guys some photographs and says that's him and it was Andrea Strauss Meyer.
Speaker 25
01:22:20 Strauss Smile was there listening, going over the plans he was listening to everything.01:22:26 He was what they were talking about.
01:22:28 And look.
Devon
01:22:31 So this woman, who worked at the federal building.01:22:35 Is placing Strauss Meyer.
01:22:38 At the federal building.
01:22:41 Two days prior to or one to two days prior to the bombing.
01:22:47 In the parking garage.
Speaker 25
01:22:49 Being at place pointing to things, but when they were talking, whatever they happened to finally be talking about and when I was looking at him at that point, then he left and went over to the other side of the building.01:23:00 So I.
01:23:00 Wouldn't keep watching him.
01:23:01 The second man that was there, who appeared to be military, he's.
01:23:05 One that the man in charge told to put the stuff back in the car.
01:23:10 The 2nd man obviously was taking orders from the first man because he had wire in his hands, which I thought was telephone wire.
01:23:18 It's that real light color thin wire.
01:23:21 And he also had what appeared to be Gray putty.
Speaker 6
01:23:24 Well, that's exactly how you string composition C4.01:23:27 With debt cord.
Devon
01:23:31 So she basically she saw guys walking around and this will become important as we get into how ridiculous the truck bomb theory is.01:23:40 But she saw guys stringing up C4 in the building.
01:23:46 Like a day.
01:23:47 Before and one of the guys, she's.
01:23:49 At least, she says.
01:23:52 Was this German intelligence operative who might work for Israel?
01:23:59 So anyway.
01:24:03 Might explain why all you know, we we can't talk about who we can't mention that that anyone else was involved, right.
01:24:11 Just like the USS Liberty perhaps.
Speaker 16
01:24:15 Our chilling we'll also focus on surveillance cameras, cameras that caught the bombing on tape, and maybe the men behind the bombing.01:24:22 The news channel has new information tonight that there's a chance surveillance tapes could be the smoking gun.
01:24:28 And we ask candid questions in a rare face to face meeting with ATF officials close to the investigation.
01:24:33 We learned that video collected from downtown businesses the morning of April 19th May someday be played before.
01:24:39 During, officials won't say who or what exactly is on the tape.
01:24:43 However, numerous sources have confirmed the tapes exist and.
01:24:47 That they reveal.
01:24:47 More than one bomber.
Devon
01:24:52 So not only do they they've heard multiple people report to local media outlets that they have these the tapes of.01:25:01 The FBI has now.
Speaker 14
01:25:01 Said Ohh, can't find it.01:25:03 Ohh whoops it's gone.
Devon
01:25:08 Immediately after the bombing, you had people who had viewed the tapes.01:25:12 Who said yeah, no, it shows there's more than one guy in that Ryder truck.
01:25:17 One of them is definitely Timothy McVeigh.
01:25:19 But one of them is some other guy.
01:25:22 And in fact, the other guy seems like he's the one that sets it off because he gets out of the truck after Timothy McVeigh.
01:25:29 And even in the official FBI documents.
01:25:33 They refer to the to suspects, plural.
01:25:38 In the truck.
01:25:40 They say tapes from the area showed the truck detonation.
01:25:43 See, that's the thing too is it shows the detonation, it shows.
01:25:49 The actual explosion.
01:25:53 That takes out the building, so if I don't know you had the building rigged with C4.
01:26:02 And you could see it explode outward.
01:26:06 From the C4 explosions, which we'll get into here in a little bit.
01:26:11 You wouldn't want that video out even if it was just Timothy McVeigh in that video.
01:26:16 But it says tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and six seconds after the suspects.
01:26:24 Exited the truck.
Speaker 54
01:26:35 Jim McVeigh was honorably discharged from the Army three years before the bombing, leaving behind an exemplary service record after a brief but intense combat experience in the Persian Gulf War, McVay tried out for the special forces.01:26:47 He pronounced himself unable to continue.
01:26:50 Just a few days into the testing, and returned to his unit.
01:26:53 Moralized and some say a changed man.
Devon
01:26:58 Totally makes sense, right?01:27:03 Totally makes sense.
01:27:13 His defense team couldn't even get a copy of his military record.
Speaker 43
01:27:17 Themselves could never obtain his full military records, and that even though they were.Speaker 13
01:27:23 Ordered by a judge.Speaker 6
01:27:25 What does he turn up?01:27:26 He turns up.
01:27:26 In Buffalo, NY.
01:27:28 And while he's up there, he.
01:27:29 Creates what's known as a legend.
01:27:32 Now legend is when you go undercover or you get sheep dipped.
01:27:36 Sheep dipped means you change your identity, you change your, your who you work for and become a new person.
01:27:42 Changes his personality up there and all of a sudden he's he's ranting and raving about the Turner Diaries and overthrowing the government and all this other nonsense to whether and this guy's wacko. He works up there six months, disappears.
Speaker 21
01:27:55 What are we?01:27:55 Find him again.
Speaker 6
01:27:57 Going into militia meetings and doing the same.01:27:59 Thing making sure he's noted.
Devon
01:28:04 And we'll get a little more into that.01:28:05 Here in a second.
Speaker 50
01:28:17 That man is John Doe, #2A man who, for all we know, is still on the loose, leaving open a vital question was at John Doe #2, who actually set off the bomb, not Timothy McVeigh, as we've all been led to believe.01:28:30 News Channel 4 has for weeks been demanding copies of the surveillance tapes from the FBI, the federal government so far is dragging its.
01:28:38 But many people in the investigation have seen the tapes and now so has a source willing to describe to the news channel what the tapes show.
01:28:45 The LA Times report shows there was a surveillance camera near the corner of 5th and Harvey and another near the corner of 5th and Robinson.
01:28:53 Federal investigators recreated the time sequence leading up to the bombing by matching the video and still.
01:28:58 Photos from the surveillance cameras.
01:29:01 Since we can't show you the tape ourselves, we're reenacting what our source says he saw on those tapes as witnesses told the News channel before the tapes showed the Ryder truck parked in front of the Murrah Building where we now know the blast went off as witnesses also told us the tape showed two men sitting inside the Ryder truck, a man strongly resembling Timothy McVeigh.
01:29:21 Gets out of the driver side step.
01:29:23 Down, he then appears to have dropped something on the step up into the truck.
01:29:27 He bends down and appears to pick something up off the step.
01:29:30 Then he turns and walks directly across 5th St. toward the journal record building. All this time, John Doe #2 is still inside the Ryder trucks Cab, sitting on the passenger side. Time passes. The surveillance tape is time lapse.
01:29:43 Photography without knowing exactly the time interval between shots, our source can't be sure how long John Doe #2 sat in that cap.
01:29:51 What was he doing all that time? Then the tape shows John Doe #2 getting out of the passenger side of the Ryder truck again. The tape shows that a bombing witness accurately described what happened next to News Channel 4.
Speaker
01:30:03 Standing in the belly.Speaker 55
01:30:06 And I was locked out.Speaker 8
01:30:11 Window and I seen.Speaker 43
01:30:15 Come through on his truck and I seen a man get out of the road.01:30:20 His truck.
Speaker 50
01:30:20 The tape shows John Doe #2 getting out, shutting the passenger side door. He steps toward the front of the truck and is momentarily out of the frame of the surveillance camera, but shortly he appears back in frame, walking toward the rear of the truck still on the sidewalk in front of the Murrah Building again, he turns.01:30:38 East toward the front of the truck, looking toward the St. John to #2, then walks diagonally across 5th St. toward the east, as if heading toward the YMCA or the intersection of 5th and Robinson. He again leaves the frame of the camera.
01:30:51 Another camera shooting from another angle clearly shows the actual explosion that destroyed the federal building and killed 169 people.
Devon
01:31:01 And all of that footage is gone.01:31:05 All of that footage has disappeared.
01:31:11 So let's talk about the explosion.
01:31:19 Because according to people that were in the building at the time, there was more than one explosion.
01:31:30 Not only that, but the type of bomb that the FBI describes.
01:31:35 Is incapable of dealing out the damage that the federal building.
01:31:45 And that's not me just saying that.
01:31:48 That's everyone from literally the inventor of the neutron bomb and the Air Force that tried to recreate.
01:31:57 The explosion.
Speaker 34
01:32:01 Police and emergency crews are talking about moving us back because of.01:32:05 The danger of a.
Devon
01:32:08 And again.Speaker 14
01:32:09 The official story is.Devon
01:32:11 One guy, one bomb, right?01:32:15 Timothy McVeigh bomb.
01:32:18 That's it.
01:32:18 One guy, one bomb.
Speaker 46
01:32:21 Plenty of another explosion.Speaker 56
01:32:22 I think he said another bomb.Speaker 30
01:32:27 Oh my God. Another box.Speaker 27
01:32:29 The fire crews and the various emergency crews were trying to get in, but we keep getting reports that there may be other devices in.Speaker 24
01:32:35 The area and they will use that to that trailer.01:32:38 You see the the bucket on the back there, sort of.
01:32:40 This is how they would transport the explosive device away from this populated area to try.
01:32:44 To do something with it.
Speaker 54
01:32:45 There were two.Speaker 1
01:32:46 Unexploded devices discovered subsequent to the initial explosion.Speaker 57
01:32:52 A second bomb was found on the east side of that building.01:32:56 A bomb squad is on the scene.
01:32:58 That second bomb has not exploded.
01:33:00 We don't know quite the status yet.
01:33:02 If they've managed to defuse it.
01:33:03 But it has been confirmed.
Speaker 34
01:33:04 There have been.Speaker 54
01:33:06 Reports of two explosive devices unexploded explosive devices.Speaker 50
01:33:11 Two different explosive devices were found in addition to the one that went off.Speaker 58
01:33:15 Just an hour after the initial expose.01:33:18 Downtown Oklahoma City was shaken up again with word of another bomb, or maybe 2.
01:33:25 They've had to back off a couple of times cause they found, I guess two or three other bombs or at least explosive devices down there that they've had to defuse.
Speaker 34
01:33:35 The shutdown operation for about 20-30 minutes because of of that and that was very frustrating.Speaker 25
01:33:41 But we we.Speaker 23
01:33:42 Were right at the point where.Speaker 44
01:33:43 We had people and we.Speaker 27
01:33:44 Had to leave them the first bomb that was in the federal building.Speaker 41
01:33:47 Go off it.01:33:48 Did the damage that you see right?
Speaker 27
01:33:49 There the 2nd explosive was found and diffused.Devon
01:33:56 So there you go.01:33:59 Lots of reports of multiple bombs.
01:34:03 And by the way, not just in the oh, in the fog of war and the confusion of.
01:34:07 Covering it? No official reports.
01:34:11 Of disposing of other bombs.
01:34:14 The the fire department has a has a report detailing the the the you know the the deactivation of other bombs.
Speaker 27
01:34:29 A truck mom just delivers an air blast.01:34:31 That's all it does is called an air blast.
01:34:34 When you've got 8 foot thick columns of concrete filled with rebar the size of your arm.
01:34:44 An air blast probably won't even even break one and break windows.
01:34:50 That's about it.
01:34:51 But some of these columns were ripped up, shredded tossed around.
Speaker 6
01:34:56 Now I looked at the building I was on the bomb squad for a couple of years.01:35:00 I've worked some bombings and I looked at the building and I knew that the damage done to that build.
01:35:05 Couldn't have come.
01:35:06 From a truck with Anvil in it.
Speaker 39
01:35:08 And I can tell you that the building was blown from the inside because all the debris was piled up and that's the general record.01:35:13 Building here across the parking lot.
Devon
01:35:18 Now that's important.01:35:21 If you have a bomb.
01:35:23 That's coming from a single source like a truck.
01:35:27 Blowing up in front of a building.
01:35:32 It's not going.
01:35:32 To throw.
01:35:34 That parts of that building.
01:35:39 The other direction you know it's it's a, it's a, it's a single source of kinetic energy.
01:35:48 So you're going to have, like, a crater.
01:35:51 You're going to have the blast pattern is going to go outward, outward, away from the crater.
01:36:00 It's not going.
01:36:01 To throw walls over itself in the other opposite direction.
01:36:05 Less of course.
01:36:07 You have explosives.
01:36:10 Inside the building.
01:36:12 Meant to take take out the 8 foot thick concrete walls.
01:36:17 That the truck bomb would have no way of of actually destroying.
Speaker 59
01:36:26 The thing that I experienced and I was sitting there signing some papers.01:36:31 I felt the building started shaking and.
01:36:34 Never had anything like that happen before and I just kind of froze.
01:36:38 And then the lights went out.
01:36:40 It didn't get totally dark because the whole front of the building was glass.
01:36:45 The lights went out and then the debris started falling on my desk and then something hit me in the back of the.
01:36:53 Head and knocked me out.
01:36:54 Before the truck mile went off.
01:36:56 What that tells you is that there were other explosive devices in the building that actually brought the building down.
Devon
01:37:04 That guy was.01:37:05 That guy was in the building.
01:37:07 When it went up.
01:37:09 And it's saying that there were things blowing up.
01:37:13 Before the truck bomb went off.
Speaker 25
01:37:16 Building started to sway back and forth it would.01:37:22 It was going back and forth and I had sat there and I thought, no, it doesn't feel like an earthquake.
01:37:29 And and I was, you know, I was kind of stunned and.
01:37:33 But separate seconds later.
01:37:37 I felt this explosion and you could feel actually feel the concrete floor actually rising from underneath you.
01:37:48 You could feel it coming up from the inside.
Devon
01:37:56 So she says she heard the first explosion.01:38:03 And then there was.
01:38:04 A noticeable pause.
01:38:07 And then another explosion hit that actually lifted up the concrete floor that she was on.
01:38:14 Which would not happen.
01:38:15 There wouldn't be a secondary like if you had a truck bomb and you blew up a truck bomb.
01:38:21 It wouldn't somehow create it. You know, it doesn't like concrete's not explosive.
01:38:31 So it wouldn't create a secondary explosion.
01:38:35 The local college.
01:38:39 Had a one of these things called the size seismograms or, you know, like the earthquake machines, right?
01:38:48 Detected 3 distinct disturbances.
01:38:56 Two separate explosions.
01:39:00 And then the third, the the building collapsing.
01:39:11 There was also.
01:39:13 A similar bombing.
01:39:17 In the Middle East.
01:39:19 In Saudi Arabia, let me see if I well then I close that tab.
01:39:28 I'm going to close the tab.
01:39:29 I'm going to look this up again real quick.
01:39:49 Yeah, this was OK.
01:39:53 Yeah, 1996.
01:39:55 The Khabar towers bombing.
01:40:03 Now when this bomb went off, it was this bomb was something like a factor of 10 times stronger.
01:40:11 Than the bomb that was in the truck in the Ryder truck to give an idea.
01:40:17 I think the the difference in crater size, like the crater underneath the the Ryder truck was.
01:40:24 Do I have it?
01:40:24 Here I might have it here.
01:40:28 I forget it.
01:40:29 I mean, it was small enough to where they literally just covered up with plywood like it wasn't like some.
01:40:34 Deep hole.
01:40:36 This, this, this explosion here, which only took off the the basically the front facade of the building.
01:40:44 It didn't collapse, the building didn't blow out like you know, the internals of it.
01:40:48 This building was way weaker than the federal building.
01:40:51 It was, you know, some chinci Saudi Arabia building it left.
01:40:56 A crater 85 feet wide and 35 feet deep.
01:41:07 85 feet wide and 35 feet deep.
01:41:16 And this is all the damage it did to that building.
01:41:21 Because these types of explosives aren't very effective against buildings.
01:41:30 And again, this was this was filled with 5000 pounds of *** ****, like actual explosives.
01:41:41 Not like fertilizer bombs.
01:41:45 And this is all it was able to do.
01:41:49 Because the majority.
01:41:51 Of the explosion is going to be air.
01:41:55 It's going to be forcing air.
01:41:57 Which will still, I mean look, air still does a lot of damage.
01:42:00 Look at a tornado, right?
01:42:04 But it doesn't do.
01:42:05 What happened to the Oklahoma City federal building?
01:42:13 The other problem is.
01:42:15 The type of.
01:42:18 Bomb that the FBI describes the type of bomb.
01:42:21 They say that Timothy McVeigh made.
01:42:26 Would have filled the entire downtown area.
01:42:31 With like ammonia gas like poisonous gas.
01:42:35 Like all the first responders.
01:42:38 Would have been hospitalized.
01:42:41 And we know that.
01:42:43 Because an actual.
01:42:45 A A bomb like they described was used.
01:42:50 By a bunch of communists.
01:42:55 Back in.
01:42:58 1960 No, I'm sorry, 1970.
01:43:06 It was the sterling hull bombing.
01:43:11 So a bunch of communists.
01:43:14 Did the kind of bomb.
01:43:17 That they are saying Timothy McVeigh did.
01:43:20 By the way, almost none of them, like did any kind of jail time for doing this.
01:43:25 Like this is and this is all that happened.
01:43:27 So the building got like most of the damage of the building was broken windows.
01:43:35 Like the the structure itself was fine.
01:43:38 It just it just blew up all the windows.
01:43:45 And because they're commies and not the scary right wingers, I think like the most times any of these ******* did.
01:43:51 It was like 3 years.
01:43:59 So anyway.
01:44:03 But all the first responders.
01:44:07 Because of the poisonous gas.
01:44:10 Ended up in the hospital.
Speaker 12
01:44:18 I spent over 30 years in the Air Force.01:44:21 Most of that was in research and development.
01:44:23 I went to a two year graduate program headquarters and arming an engineering graduate.
01:44:28 The first course that was ever set up and after that I worked at the missing resource laboratories at Aberdeen, which was two years of hands on work.
01:44:35 Designing developing continues right away and so the we want missile and other weapon systems that.
01:44:42 We truck bomb.
01:44:45 Even though it was fairly massive, it was somewhat removed from some of the structures that were damaged. We clearly had some what you call bussang's damage, where the blast pressure was well above what you would expect to get from the truck at that distance.
Speaker 54
01:44:59 Resonance damage is that caused by an explosive whose blast wave is powerful enough to shatter and destroy the material affected.01:45:06 The problem with the failed columns at the Murrah Building is at that distance the air blast from an anthill bomb would have been 10 times less powerful than what was needed to dissolve the concrete and cut the rebar.
01:45:17 Those columns, had they failed due to air blast, should have broken with sharp chunks of concrete connected by rebar, not sheared off at critical points. Prasad's damage indicates.
01:45:27 Contact explosives placed directly on the beams.
Devon
01:45:34 So they identified that some critical beams.01:45:39 Had explosives directly.
01:45:42 Place and literally every explosive explosives expert who has looked at this, every one of them, except for the FBI's.
01:45:51 Who will get into in a little?
01:45:53 Every single one of them have said like, yeah, that trunk truck bomb can't possibly have done that.
01:45:59 In fact, you you have parts of the explosion, like turning corners, destroying columns behind columns that aren't destroyed, which doesn't make any sense at all.
01:46:10 These were definitely.
01:46:12 Columns that were destroyed by explosives that were strategically placed on the columns.
01:46:20 To create a collapse.
01:46:25 They killed kids.
01:46:29 They killed kids because they hate white Christians.
01:46:41 And they didn't stop.
01:46:42 So they.
01:46:42 Just kept killing more kids.
01:46:46 Like no one, no one stopped them.
01:46:49 No one held them to account, so they just kept doing it.
Speaker 13
01:46:54 You know first.Devon
01:46:56 They killed some kids at Ruby Ridge.01:46:58 No one, you know, no one does anything.
01:47:01 So they killed some kids at Waco.
01:47:03 No one does anything.
01:47:05 They killed some kids at Oklahoma City. No one does anything and they killed some kids at 911. No one does anything.
01:47:25 Same ******* people, same people.
Speaker 60
01:47:34 Release report today condemning the FBI Crime lab for mishandling evidence and for slanting its annual.01:47:41 The report is expected to specifically criticize the labs handling of the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center bombing cases.
01:47:48 It was the allegations of FBI whistleblower Frederick Whitehurst that sparked that investigation.
Speaker 53
01:47:53 Oklahoma City case will get a lot of attention because what the Inspector General goes on at some length to say in his analysis of at agent testimony and some of the pretrial stages is that one agent in particular made sort of seat of the pants estate.01:48:08 About the Oklahoma City bomb, but then couched them in his reports in his written reports as being the result of scientific evidence.
Speaker 61
01:48:15 FBI laboratories build itself for many, many years as the premier of forensic laboratory in the world.01:48:20 The people that did the things they did and have doggone well what they were doing.
Devon
01:48:27 The only expert?01:48:31 To disagree with all the other experts that said, yeah, this truck bomb couldn't have possibly.
01:48:36 Have done this.
01:48:40 Gets rotted out.
01:48:44 By a co-worker who then gets fired, of course.
01:48:51 And the OIG?
01:48:52 Remember, the OIG are introna the OIG reports going to come out whenever all the.
01:48:56 Heads will roll.
01:48:59 Nothing happened.
01:49:00 Well, nothing happened back then either.
01:49:02 The OIG.
01:49:04 Is just a ******* joke.
01:49:05 The OG is just there to, like, make you feel like there's someone watching the watchers.
01:49:20 If only that were true.
01:49:26 So then the Air Force.
01:49:27 Decided well, we're going to try we're.
01:49:29 Going to try to replicate this.
01:49:33 And they made a truck bomb.
01:49:38 And they discovered that.
01:49:40 Not only was the blast not enough to do the kind of damage that.
01:49:46 That they would, that you would expect to see if it if that kind of truck bomb was capable of doing what happened in the Oklahoma City federal building.
01:49:56 But almost all of the explosive force goes straight up.
01:50:09 So it just blasts up the up the top like a ******* Roman candle.
01:50:20 In their report, they state it must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other factors such as locally placed charges within the building itself.
01:50:36 As can be seen from the tests.
01:50:48 No investigation.
01:50:51 No one looking into that.
Speaker 27
01:50:56 The explosive that they this armed last night was even larger.Speaker 58
01:51:00 Were you there a minute ago when they somebody yelled?Speaker 49
01:51:03 They thought they'd seen the.Speaker 59
01:51:04 Second time.01:51:04 Yes, Sir.
01:51:05 We were close to the parking area trying to recover victim.
Devon
01:51:13 Fire Department confirms they did find a second device.01:51:20 A second bomb was disarmed.
01:51:25 That's just unexploded charges that didn't go off when they blew up the building.
Speaker 6
01:51:42 Hour two of the bombing, the most significant event that happened, is when they said they found other bombs in the building.01:51:49 The second most significant event was that they moved everybody back and held them back.
01:51:53 There were still people alive, trapped.
01:51:55 In the building.
01:51:56 That they came in with two trucks and backed them up to the Moore Building and the bunch of these guys dressed in Blue Jackets with no letters on the back started taking boxes of files out and put them.
01:52:06 On his truck.
Speaker 55
01:52:06 We were told by a blonde female.01:52:11 Agent that there were files.
01:52:13 So, so serious to the government that until those files were located there would.
01:52:19 Not be any recovery effort.
Speaker 59
01:52:21 If you remember the Whitewater investigation in Arkansas.01:52:24 Although the paperwork was stored in the Murrah Building, they had FBI agents over in the fields in the West of the Murray Building picking up paper almost all day long.
Speaker 13
01:52:36 Isn't that convenient?Devon
01:52:42 All the documents.01:52:46 For the Whitewater investigation.
01:52:49 On the Clintons?
01:52:55 Stored in the building that was rigged.
01:52:57 To be blown up.
01:53:04 Agents show up on the scene.
01:53:06 Stop like while they're while they're trying to unburied buried, still alive people.
01:53:16 Agents show up.
01:53:18 Tell them you need to leave the area.
01:53:21 You need to cease rescue efforts.
01:53:25 These files that we need to cut, we've.
01:53:27 Come to retrieve.
01:53:30 Are more important.
01:53:33 To the security of the United States, that's all you got to say, right?
01:53:36 And it's all tied.
01:53:37 To national security.
01:53:55 So they collect a bunch of documents while people are like screaming and dying in the rubble.
Speaker 49
01:54:08 The second explosive was found and diffused.Speaker 5
01:54:11 I think you said another phone.Speaker 35
01:54:12 And the Justice Department is reporting that a second explosive device has been found.Speaker 16
01:54:18 They then found a.Speaker 50
01:54:19 3rd device which was also larger than the 1st.Speaker 53
01:54:22 And I see another bomb truck going.Speaker 52
01:54:24 So apparently they're going to.Speaker 27
01:54:25 Try to get out that third.Devon
01:54:32 Then there's this photo.01:54:40 Someone with a conscience leaked out this photo.
01:54:44 Of a Ryder truck.
01:54:47 How's that a military base?
01:54:59 Prior to the bombing.
01:55:04 The Army responded and said.
01:55:08 Oh, yeah, well, we did have a Ryder truck.
01:55:13 And we were researching.
01:55:16 Blowing up truck bombs.
01:55:19 But it has nothing that like they actually say in their their statement, but it has nothing to do.
01:55:28 With the terror attack in Oklahoma City.
01:55:40 And I'm sure we can, we can trust them, right?
01:55:42 We can we can trust them.
01:55:45 They've they've given us no reason to not trust them, right?
01:55:48 Why wouldn't we trust them?
Speaker 6
01:55:51 We're still working the case with Jenny Davis and David Hoffman.01:55:55 To Oklahoma City police officers and one of them, it was one of the first ones in the building and he saw some things in the building.
01:56:01 He saw the biggest damage to the building was the pit, which was in the back of the building, went down.
01:56:05 Like two or three.
01:56:05 Floors he saw all of that, you.
01:56:08 That never came out in the news.
01:56:11 It wasn't part of the investigation.
01:56:13 It just it didn't count in other.
01:56:15 If it didn't fit the.
01:56:16 Mold that the Department of Justice under Janet Reno set for the FBI.
01:56:21 Then it wasn't put in the case.
Devon
01:56:28 All right.01:56:28 We're going to talk about this guy.
01:56:31 Terrence was his last name.
01:56:42 You know, spoiler alert, he doesn't live very long.
01:56:46 Terrence Yuki.
01:56:49 So Terence yike.
01:56:53 Was one of the first comps on the scene.
01:56:57 He was giving some woman a ticket when the explosion happened.
01:57:03 He rushed down there to start pulling people out of the out of the rubble.
01:57:10 Worked all day, ended up getting hospitalized.
01:57:21 Well, I'll let let his wife explain some of his behavior after that.
Speaker 62
01:57:27 Soon as they loaded.01:57:28 Him into the car.
01:57:30 He got very upset.
Speaker 60
01:57:32 Started to cry A.Speaker 62
01:57:33 Little bit and said Tanya, it's not what they're.01:57:36 Saying it.
01:57:37 Is they're not telling the truth.
01:57:38 They're lying about what's going.
01:57:39 On down there.
01:57:41 And I did try to press him a little bit, ask him questions, but he didn't seem very willing to talk about it.
01:57:48 It was just kind of a a comment.
01:57:50 You know, it's not what?
01:57:50 It's not what they're portraying it to be about two or three days later after the bombing, he had asked me to take him.
01:57:57 Down to the.
01:57:58 Site and mind you, Perry could even.
01:58:01 Really was not in any shape to go down there, but he kept insisting we needed to go back down there, said that we needed to go at night when we could not be seen.
01:58:13 And people would just recognize this easily and I didn't understand the reasons for that.
01:58:16 But I did ask a lot of questions, either because he just he just seemed unwilling to.
01:58:20 Give a lot of information.
01:58:23 We did go down there probably between 3010 o'clock and he said that we were going.
Speaker 63
01:58:30 To go look.Speaker 62
01:58:31 Underneath, where the daycare had been, there was something he wanted to see under there and get a picture if possible.Devon
01:58:42 Now just cause the audio is so bad.01:58:44 To catch you up.
01:58:46 He comes home, he's really upset.
01:58:48 He's telling his wife that.
01:58:50 Then it that the story that they're telling you is not the real story.
01:58:54 Something's not right.
01:58:56 We need to go back to the scene and snap some photos.
01:59:01 I need to get in in the building.
01:59:03 And so we need to go at night when there's not as many people around because they're trying to keep people away from some of this stuff.
01:59:10 And so she's like, alright, I guess.
01:59:12 Well, let's do it.
Speaker 62
01:59:17 As we went down there, we were stopped and I can't remember which personnel it was, but I know definitely it was either ATF or FBI.01:59:27 I just cannot recall what the name was on.
01:59:30 The back of his.
01:59:30 Jacket, but it was one of the two.
01:59:33 And Terry had attempted to badge his way through, and the guy told him no.
01:59:39 And and he said something a little more specific.
01:59:43 Like you know, you're not supposed to be back down here.
01:59:45 Something along the lines that made me realize the two of them recognized each other, and the interaction was very antagonistic.
01:59:54 I think had it not been with Terry, he would have said a little more to the man and maybe been a little more.
01:59:59 Forceful about getting through but.
02:00:01 It seemed like he thought better about it since I was with him and we left about 15 days after the bombing happened, I got a call from his supervisor, Lieutenant Joanne Randall.
02:00:13 And she's been pretty hostile, pretty aggressive and.
02:00:18 Asked me where Terry was told her he.
02:00:20 He was not there.
02:00:21 And she thought she said, you tell Terry that if he doesn't get that other report in that he's going to be reprimanded if he does not get that in by.
02:00:30 The end of the night.
Speaker 52
02:00:31 I think was this.Speaker 62
02:00:32 This is Lieutenant Joanne Randall, and this was his.02:00:35 His supervisor? Direct supervisor.
02:00:37 At the time.
02:00:38 Now let me let me give you a little filler.
02:00:41 In there, in this time frame, Terry had written a nine page report.
02:00:48 I know that he wrote a nine page report.
02:00:50 I thought this is the only report.
02:00:52 However that I've.
02:00:52 Ever asked him to read that he did not let me.
02:00:57 I I didn't understand the.
02:00:58 Reason for that at the time it was.
02:01:00 You know I've I've.
02:01:01 Ridden with my husband, you know I'm right along.
02:01:04 So we we talked a lot about what had happened at work.
02:01:07 You know, I've I've read reports about the prostitutes on mine.
02:01:10 The Francis you.
02:01:11 Know just meaning that nothing was really all that sacred.
02:01:14 Know if I.
02:01:15 Asked about it, usually he was pretty forthcoming.
02:01:17 Telling me about it.
02:01:19 This time it was an absolute no.
Devon
02:01:25 So he told his wife.Speaker 14
02:01:30 That he.Devon
02:01:33 That she couldn't read the report that he'd written up on the on the bombing and written a nine page report.02:01:40 And he had turned it in.
02:01:42 His superiors started harassing her and saying, you need to tell Terry to turn in this.
02:01:46 A different report.
02:01:51 He told other friends.
02:01:54 That he had evidence that he was storing in a storage locker.
02:01:59 That he was going to go get.
02:02:01 He came to her house really nervous one night.
02:02:06 Put a VCR in the back of her car.
02:02:11 And said that he would need that later.
02:02:17 And then one day.
02:02:21 He tells a friend that he's going to be meeting for dinner.
02:02:25 I have to go out to this storage unit.
02:02:33 And it's going to take me a while because I have Feds following.
02:02:36 This is a cop telling another cop this.
02:02:39 I have feds.
02:02:40 Following me and I'm going to have to to lose them.
02:02:50 That's the last time anyone that knew him saw him alive.
Speaker 54
02:02:57 Morning of May 8 of 1996 at 7:00 AM, his vehicle was found in his spot just behind me by a resident living up this road no more than.02:03:06 A mile away.
02:03:08 It was from 7:00 AM until 6:00 PM that the car would sit here full of blood. And according to Terri's sister Vicki, there was actually blood in between the window panes in the back of the vehicle.
02:03:19 In addition to the blood, there was an unidentified knife found in the bottom of the glove box along with razor blades.
02:03:26 The car keys and the windows rolled up tight.
02:03:29 The car was locked, Terrye body was nowhere to be found.
02:03:33 Until later that evening, between 7:00 and 8:00 PM, OCD helicopters, in addition to the Canadian County sheriff as well as El Reno police, would have a large search party looking for terrye body no more than a half a mile from.
02:03:47 Where we're standing.
02:03:48 It is important to note how exactly how.
02:03:52 Yeah, he is supposed to have killed himself.
02:03:54 He was said to have slit his wrists and neck, causing him to nearly bleed to death in his car, and then miraculously climb over a barbed wire fence.
02:04:04 He then was purported to have walked over one and a quarter mile distance through a nearby field, eventually shooting himself in the head.
02:04:12 At an unusual angle.
02:04:15 Startlingly, no weapon was found at the scene of the body.
02:04:19 No investigation was conducted, no fingerprints taken and no interviews with family members or friends were conducted to try and determine why Yaki would have been suicidal or if he had in fact been suicidal at all.
02:04:33 Instead, the conclusion that Yankees death was a suicide was reached immediately without an.
Speaker 6
02:04:39 He started having problems with it, not only at work, but his partner got broke into his car, got broke into things, were stolen out of his house.02:04:47 He had accumulated reports evidence.
02:04:50 I don't know what it all, but he was going to take it out to a mini storage.
02:04:54 In Reno.
02:04:56 And he left one one night.
02:05:00 And he told a friend of his that they were going to go out to dinner.
02:05:03 And he says I gotta run out and put some stuff in many storage and as.
02:05:06 Soon as I I.
02:05:07 Shake these feds.
02:05:07 That are following me, I'll.
02:05:09 Be back.
02:05:10 And we'll go to dinner.
02:05:12 Came back instead.
02:05:13 He was found the next day by a Canadian County sheriff's deputy.
02:05:17 Well, they found his car 1st and then they found him in the field near the El Reno Penitentiary.
02:05:22 The damage to his body was obviously a torture homicide.
02:05:27 It was obvious.
02:05:28 But what intrigued?
02:05:29 Me the most.
02:05:31 And he had several cuts on both of his wrists inside both elbows, both jugular veins.
02:05:37 He'd been beaten.
02:05:39 He had ligature marks around his neck.
02:05:41 He had handcuffed marks on his hands on his wrists, and he had a small caliber.
02:05:49 Bullet wound that started above on the right hand side of his temple and exited.
02:05:55 Low on his cheek.
02:05:58 With no powder brush.
Devon
02:06:03 Exactly how those 3 Clinton bodyguards died, by the way, that's the exact, like, literally the exact execution style.02:06:15 Bullet wound.
02:06:19 That the the three ATF agents that were former Clinton bodyguards that died at Waco, that's the literally the exact wounds they they died from.
02:06:36 But he he committed suicide.
02:06:38 No autopsy.
02:06:40 No investigation.
02:06:42 They didn't recover a a weapon.
02:06:46 You shoot yourself in the head like that, which first of all, like, just imagine the angle of that just trying to do that.
02:06:52 Like, why would you even do it that way?
02:06:58 But if you did, the gun would be like right there, because you're not.
02:07:03 You're not going to get up and walk away from that.
02:07:10 His car was full of blood.
02:07:13 He had handcuff marks.
02:07:16 He had rope burns on his body.
02:07:19 He was sliced up head to toe and yet somehow he he somehow he he did all those wounds to himself in his own car.
02:07:29 And then walked like a mile and 1/2.
02:07:33 After climbing over a barbed wire fence.
02:07:38 And then shot himself in the head and then his gun vanished.
02:07:47 So yeah, he he was murdered.
02:07:54 And the VCR that was in the back of his wife's car.
02:08:00 Was magically gone the next day.
Speaker 55
02:08:04 One of the things that surprised me was that there was no autopsy perform.02:08:10 The other thing that really bothered me was we were being told that Terry was high on drugs and drunk and.
02:08:17 Of course, the medical examiner's office did a a report when Terry and his injuries, which was really not an autopsy but just a an overview and it showed that his BAC was was 0, meaning no, no blood alcohol content. There was no drugs in the system.
02:08:38 It bothered me that they didn't treat Terry like.
02:08:41 Police officer Michael Bliss.
02:08:45 The big guy.
Devon
02:08:59 And it might have happened to any of them.02:09:02 This guy said that an FBI agent threatened him.
Speaker 55
02:09:06 I was told by an agent, an FBI agent, that we had comments that I'd made that.02:09:14 People like me often ended up dead.
02:09:16 We'd be careful what I said.
02:09:19 If I was young and.
02:09:23 In the way that he put the worst stuff, they're likely to be a threat.
Devon
02:09:28 A threat I would have taken seriously after.02:09:31 I mean again they just killed.
02:09:36 17 kids.
02:09:39 Something like 70 something adults.
02:09:42 And then anyone that got in the way, I mean they?
02:09:45 They're just getting warmed up.
02:09:49 So then you have this little tidbit.
02:09:53 This woman was a federal informant.
02:09:58 She was.
02:10:00 Involved with the group in Elohim, the the Christian identity people.
02:10:08 She had a a deal with the feds where she was.
02:10:13 Regularly routing them out for stuff and she claims that she.
02:10:19 Heard that German guy and Timothy McVeigh talking specifically about the the bombing?
02:10:29 And they didn't do it.
02:10:29 They they did nothing.
02:10:37 And one of the.
02:10:39 Reporters trying to research this case called her up.
02:10:45 And I asked her about, hey, you know what, you.
02:10:46 Know about this German guy?
Speaker 63
02:10:52 That relationship, because he wanted to go blow up federal building.Devon
02:11:05 He didn't want to settle down with anyone because he wanted to.02:11:08 Go blow up federal buildings.
02:11:16 So she went out.
02:11:17 She went public with her information.
02:11:21 She took a lie detector test and passed it.
02:11:25 I mean, it's not admissible in court, but you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 46
02:11:39 It wasn't until after I left the case, some months later, that I know that FBI headquarters told him to close down the investigation on Lawn City, which has some very significant connections to Mr.02:11:50 McVeigh and to previous bombing attempts.
02:11:52 So I don't know why they did that.
02:11:53 That's something that and.
02:11:54 It's very unusual and never in my career did I ever have FBI headquarters.
02:11:58 Tell me not to investigate something they would often suggest things to do or courses of action to follow or other leads we may have missed, but I never had them ever say, don't investigate that part of the case that was that was a total aberration to me.
Devon
02:12:18 And again, that was the that was the FBI agent that was in charge of the.02:12:25 The crime scene initially.
Speaker 49
02:12:29 Other documents obtained by 2020 show that someone called the Executive Secretariat's office at the Justice Department in Washington and said the Morrow building had been bombed. But this was 24 minutes before the blast.Devon
02:12:44 So you had again. This is similar to 911 where you had phone calls reporting that building 7 had collapsed before.02:12:54 You know it had collapsed.
02:12:56 So you have.
02:12:59 Phone calls going into.
02:13:02 The Fed, saying that there was a bombing 24 minutes before the bombing.
02:13:09 You had the governor's brother.
02:13:12 Writing a novel.
02:13:14 Where a federal.
02:13:14 Building in Oklahoma City gets bombed by a guy named Tom McVeigh.
Speaker 35
02:13:20 And apparently, before the bombing, Governor Frank Keating's brother Mark had been working on a novel about a terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City. Strangers, still one of the characters in the novel, was named Thomas McVeigh.Devon
02:13:35 So there you go.02:13:36 With that, you had bomb squad vehicles.
02:13:43 That were spotted across the street.
02:13:49 From the federal building.
02:13:54 You also had ATF no ATF agents died there.
02:13:57 This is an ATF building, right?
02:14:01 No ATF agents died.
02:14:10 There was a first responder that asked one of the ATF agents.
02:14:15 Who was at the scene like, Oh my God, you guys.
02:14:18 OK, how many?
02:14:19 How many did you lose and?
02:14:20 He said none.
02:14:25 He said.
02:14:25 What do you mean none?
02:14:29 He said we got a page.
02:14:32 This morning, telling us not to come in.
02:14:37 Just like 911, right?
Speaker 9
02:14:44 The whole control.Speaker 55
02:14:45 Interestingly, I was a very small unit.02:14:49 And was assisted by the County reserve men and patrol unit.
02:14:55 For whatever reason, on the morning of the bombing, they had been assigned and and had already met at the Oklahoma City Equine canine facility and had prepared their horses their tack and uniforms to go downtown for crowd.
02:15:14 Rarely, very rarely would they go down in patrol or work downtown area for crowd control for anything.
Devon
02:15:24 So the the mounted police.02:15:28 That almost never do any kind of crowd controlled downtown.
02:15:33 There was nothing planned for that day just happened to be deployed and ready to go.
02:15:40 For crowd control that that morning.
Speaker 39
02:15:45 And on those questions of whether there were others, whether there were others that assisted him and whether there were others on with him in Oklahoma City in the morning of April the 19th, there were spikes.02:15:59 The operator said the spikes indicated that his answers were deceptive.
Devon
02:16:06 So I kind of skipped ahead here. So this is Timothy Mcveigh's lawyer.02:16:11 And Timothy McVeigh.
02:16:14 Said that, he didn't work with anyone else.
02:16:17 Timothy McVeigh claimed that he did it all himself.
02:16:21 When he was talking.
02:16:22 To his lawyers, at least, he would say this.
02:16:25 And his lawyers had him take a polygraph test.
02:16:29 And when asked if he worked alone.
02:16:34 And he would say yes.
02:16:37 Deception would be detected in those answers by the.
02:16:43 The person administering the polygraph test.
Speaker 39
02:16:47 Is to say he was lying, that in most of those cases where he said he was alone, he wasn't alone.02:16:53 There were others with him.
Devon
02:16:58 But now let's get to the fun part.02:17:02 This is an excerpt.
02:17:04 Published in the New York Times.
02:17:07 This is an excerpt.
02:17:09 Of a letter.
02:17:12 That Timothy McVeigh.
02:17:14 Wrote to his sister.
02:17:20 Guys are going to love this.
02:17:25 This is a letter dated October 20th.
02:17:29 1993.
02:17:32 October 20th, 1993 so this is a couple years before the Oklahoma City bombing.
02:17:41 Grandpa McVeigh saw this.
02:17:44 He never knew why, but one day I showed up at his door, freezing outside in only sweat pants and in total, complete break.
02:17:55 Them, Gramps, I'm sure never told anyone about that day, and I respect him greatly for that as I spent about an hour upstairs losing it.
02:18:08 It was almost.
02:18:09 Suicide at that point.
02:18:11 But rage?
02:18:13 But denial, but acceptance.
02:18:16 All these feelings were battling for control.
02:18:20 Now here's what led to my current life.
02:18:23 It all revolves around my arrival at Fort Bragg for special forces.
02:18:29 We all took intelligence, psychological and adeptness.
02:18:35 And a whole battery of other tests.
02:18:39 Out of a group of 400.
02:18:42 One day in formation, 10 Social Security numbers were called out.
02:18:47 No names.
02:18:49 And told to leave formation.
02:18:52 Mine was one.
02:18:55 The ten of us were told that out of the select group of 400 we had scored the highest on certain tests.
Speaker 21
02:19:04 We have been.Devon
02:19:04 Selected because of our intelligence physical makeup.02:19:09 165 pounds, six feet being ultimate warrior type.
02:19:14 I was only slightly off 160 pounds, 6 foot 1 1/2.
02:19:20 And physical abilities.
02:19:23 We were to feel special.
02:19:25 Part of a hand-picked group.
02:19:29 We were all asked to volunteer, talk about peer pressure to do some quote work for the government on the domestic as well as international front.
02:19:42 End Quote.
02:19:44 What I learned next, both from the briefings and from the questions and private talks included.
02:19:54 Number one, we would be helping the CIA fly drugs into the US to fund many covert operations.
02:20:06 #2.
02:20:08 Military consultants.
02:20:11 Were to work hand in hand with civilian police agencies to quiet any one whom was deemed a security risk.
02:20:24 We would be government paid assassins.
02:20:30 #3.
02:20:32 Many other details to verify these last two, see the enclosed article.
02:20:39 Or watch again the movie Lethal Weapon.
02:20:43 It also gives you new insight on things like Waco, et cetera.
02:20:48 They were murdered by hit men.
02:21:00 That's his letter to his sister.
02:21:11 That's. That's Timothy Mcveigh's words.
02:21:16 Published in the New York Times.
02:21:34 What we call this when you have a military, any any military personnel.
02:21:44 That they want to have deep cover.
02:21:47 This is literally this is literally exactly what they do.
02:21:53 They they have someone join the military or I'm sorry.
02:21:58 Join the special forces.
02:22:00 But on paper, it looks like they've left the the military entirely.
02:22:07 They've been doing this for a long time on the record this is this is an admitted practice.
02:22:13 There's even a term for it.
02:22:14 Called sheep dipped.
02:22:17 Sheep dipped.
02:22:18 Is an intricate army devised process by which a man who is in the service as a full career soldier or officer agrees to go through all the legal and official motions of resigning from the service.
02:22:34 Then, rather than actually being released, his records are pulled from the Army personnel.
02:22:40 Files and transferred to a special Army intelligence file.
02:22:44 Substitute, but nonetheless, real appearing records are then processed.
02:22:51 And the man leaves, quote, UN quote the servants.
02:22:57 He is encouraged to write to friends and give a cover reason why he got out.
02:23:02 He goes to his.
02:23:03 Bank and charge card services and changes his status to civilian and does the hundreds of other official things and personal things that any man would do if he really had gotten out of the service.
02:23:15 Meanwhile, his real army records are kept in secrecy but not forgotten.
02:23:28 This is a practice they've been doing since Vietnam.
02:23:36 That way, if you're a spy.
02:23:41 And you've been caught.
02:23:44 You've got plausible deniability.
02:23:46 The obviously the reasons why they would want to do this is is.
02:23:50 And it's super obvious.
Speaker 51
02:23:55 Restricted from deploying troops and layoffs by the 1962 Geneva Accords, 48 Air Force personnel were instead sheep dipped and deployed in Laos as civilian employees of Lockheed to service a bombing radar installation there.02:24:09 But was McVeigh? Sheep dipped.
02:24:11 By its very definition, this process is designed to be hidden from public view.
02:24:16 Under such an operation, Mcvay's resignation paperwork, even his personal life, would all look exactly as it should if he had genuinely been discharged from the military.
02:24:26 Even more frustratingly, the sources of information that could potentially prove that McVeigh was in fact cheap dipped are being deliberately kept from the public.
02:24:35 Take the testimony of Terry Nichols. He is serving an unprecedented 161 consecutive life sentences for his part in the bombing at ADX Florence, a Supermax prison in Colorado where he shares a cellblock with Ramsey Yousef and Ted Kaczynski.
02:24:51 In 2007, he provided A sworn deposition to attorney Jesse Trendo where he stated.
02:24:56 In December of 1992, Timothy McVeigh told me that while he was serving in the US Army, he had been recruited to carry out undercover missions.
02:25:06 McVeigh again told the same story to one of his fellow inmates on death row, David Paul Hammer.
Speaker 64
02:25:13 McVeigh told me and another inmate here that he was actually an agent working for the guy.02:25:21 He called the major, and he met this, allegedly met this man when he reported.
02:25:28 For special trainees duty and he was told to wash out a special training and asked to accept the what was called Black Ops operations and he would be working as as an independent person as a part of and that he would recruit people to be in his unit.
02:25:47 According to McVeigh, disassociation went on for several years from the end of 199399 excuse me.
02:25:58 1992 throughout the the days of the bombing of the Murrah Building on April 19th 1995.
Speaker 14
02:26:09 So he was he was working.Devon
02:26:14 As the sheep dipped operative the entire time.02:26:21 I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who's not insane or ******** or both.
02:26:27 Timothy McVeigh was a government asset.
02:26:30 He associated with other government assets, including that German guy.
02:26:36 The the building was rigged.
02:26:39 With explosives, the truck was just for show.
02:26:44 Timothy McVeigh was trying to entrap.
02:26:49 Members of right wing militias.
02:26:54 Apparently failed to do so.
02:26:58 And so they went through with it anyway.
02:27:08 By law, after they execute.
02:27:12 Someone that's been given the death penalty in the case of Timothy McVeigh, it was by lethal injection.
02:27:21 They have to give an autopsy.
02:27:25 Timothy McVeigh, who never asked for.
02:27:31 Anything real like he he didn't fight the case.
02:27:33 Really at all.
02:27:34 I think the case the entire case was 3 weeks long.
02:27:37 He didn't ask for an appeal.
02:27:40 The only thing he did fight for.
02:27:46 Was the not have an autopsy performed?
02:27:51 After he was executed.
02:27:56 And and yet another unusual step by the government, right?
02:28:02 They granted him that.
02:28:06 So there was number autopsy performed.
02:28:10 One of the witnesses, female reporter that was one of the witnesses.
02:28:15 When they do executions in America.
02:28:20 They have like a there's like a glass window.
02:28:25 Where there's a almost like a mini theater.
02:28:31 That witnesses have to watch it.
02:28:35 You know, being done through this glass window, it's like, you know, one way glass mirror, glass type stuff, right.
02:28:45 One of the reporters in the room said.
02:28:48 After he had been administered the shot.
02:28:51 She thought she could still see him breathing shallowly.
02:28:58 The jail also later admitted in another article.
02:29:03 That the hearse.
02:29:06 That was filmed by news organizations.
02:29:12 Leaving the facility was a decoy and that he wasn't in the hearse.
02:29:23 So we don't even know if if.
Speaker 14
02:29:25 If he's dead.Devon
02:29:28 He kept telling the other prisoners that were on.02:29:31 Death row with him.
02:29:34 That that they were just going to inject him with something fake.
02:29:39 And that he was on that he was doing this for his country.
02:29:59 Now there's been a lot made about this tape and I was kind of hoping I'd have some different.
02:30:04 News for you.
02:30:04 Guys, but there's this tape here.
02:30:09 Of a soldier who looks a lot like him.
02:30:16 On a base in 1993, there was a guy scouting locations for a film who just was shooting the inside of a Bradley tank.
02:30:27 And just happened to get like a couple seconds of this soldier.
02:30:30 Kind of.
02:30:31 Cruising around inside there.
02:30:37 He does look a lot like Timothy McVeigh.
02:30:43 But unfortunately the quality is so bad.
02:30:47 What I what?
02:30:47 I was going to do and what I did.
02:30:51 Was I found some, you know, biometric AI software that will compare two photos and give you a probability of whether or not they're the same person.
02:31:06 And I was like, this is perfect.
02:31:09 You know, we didn't have this technology before.
02:31:12 It's always been disputed whether or not this is him.
02:31:15 I can feed this photo.
02:31:19 The software and maybe finally get an answer.
02:31:25 So I fed this frame, which is really the quality is really craptastic.
02:31:32 Into the software, along with known photos of Timothy McVeigh.
02:31:39 And unfortunately, it was all inconclusive. It gave a 51% chance that it was him.
02:31:47 Which which sounds like, oh, that's better than that's better than half, you know. But really, to give you an idea, every other photo that I compared, even like the ******** quality ones, usually scored closer to 75% if they were, you know, if they were actually.
02:32:07 If I knew both photos were him right.
02:32:10 But this one only scored a 51. Now I'd like to find a high res version of this photo and conduct the.
02:32:20 The same test I also funny enough ran it through another AI.
02:32:26 A known photo of Timothy McVeigh that is supposed to then search the Internet for photos of that person.
02:32:37 And it actually came up with some like German guy that looked a lot like him, but.
02:32:42 Let me see if I saved it.
02:32:45 Because it looked a lot like him, I was like, holy ****.
02:32:49 But I mean, I really doubt it's him.
02:32:52 Is it here?
02:32:55 Oh no, I don't know if maybe I didn't save it.
02:32:58 I might not have saved it.
Speaker 13
02:33:03 Uh, let me see.Devon
02:33:04 Let me look one more place.02:33:17 Now looks like I didn't save it.
02:33:20 Sorry guys.
02:33:23 It wasn't him though.
02:33:24 It was.
02:33:25 Like some weird German artist.
02:33:30 So anyway, a lot of people might be thinking.
02:33:36 Well, what was the point of this, you know?
02:33:40 Like what would be the point?
02:33:43 Of doing this kind of terrorist attack.
02:33:48 Like, why would the deep state?
02:33:52 Like what would they?
02:33:52 What would they hope to accomplish by letting this happen like it's one thing if they're trying to frame?
02:33:59 White supremacist groups.
02:34:01 So that they can, they can say, Oh yeah, you know, like they look what they did.
02:34:06 So we can, you know, we can make a big example of them and arrest everybody.
02:34:13 But why, when no one's taken the bait?
02:34:16 Why would they go through with it?
02:34:20 I mean, there's the obvious, you know, we had the the Clinton documents, but I.
02:34:23 Mean there's way?
02:34:25 Subtler ways of getting rid of documents than blowing up a damn building.
02:34:30 To me, that just seems more like a how can we maximize?
02:34:35 You know, this kind of an event?
02:34:40 You know, never let a good crisis go to.
02:34:41 Waste kind of a thing.
02:34:46 Well, it's simple.
02:34:50 It's simple.
Speaker 26
02:35:01 Bombing in Oklahoma City.02:35:03 Was an attack on innocent children and defenseless citizens, and I will not allow the people of this country to be intimidated by evil cowards.
Speaker 33
02:35:21 Case closed.Devon
02:35:28 So yeah, that was them demolishing the what was left of.02:35:32 The building.
02:35:36 But here's why.
Speaker 14
02:35:39 Prior to.Devon
02:35:42 The Oklahoma City bombing.02:35:45 They tried to pass.
02:35:47 What was called the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995?
02:36:00 What that would do?
02:36:02 Is it would.
02:36:03 It was basically like the.
02:36:04 Patriot Act, part one.
02:36:10 It was introduced by.
02:36:12 Joe Biden.
02:36:16 By Dianne Feinstein.
02:36:20 By Chuck Schumer.
02:36:25 You know the same ************* that are in charge today.
02:36:29 The same ******* people.
02:36:34 They tried to enter, they tried to get this passed in 1995, but there was actually enough of a a a push back on it that they weren't able to politically they weren't able to get people to buy onto it. In fact, you can. You can find an entire hour long episode of Bill Cooper where they're doing.
02:36:53 Letter writing campaigns and and they and and then later another episode where they're celebrating defeating it.
02:37:00 Yeah, before before this happened.
02:37:04 Well after this happened.
02:37:09 They just renamed it.
02:37:12 They renamed it to the anti terrorism.
02:37:16 An effective death penalty Act of 1996.
02:37:24 Here's Joe Biden talking about it, telling people you got.
02:37:27 To vote for this.
Speaker 22
02:37:31 But if an emergency wiretap is good enough for John Godden?02:37:35 Why is it not good enough for the unabomb?
02:37:40 The emergency wiretap is good enough for John Gotti.
02:37:43 Why is it not good enough for some wacko who blows up?
02:37:49 Or is about to blow up a federal building in Wilmington, DE.
02:37:53 Or Washington DC.
Devon
02:38:00 You hear that?02:38:01 We should be able to warrantless sly wiretap people for pre crime.
02:38:09 That's literally what he was pushing.
Speaker 22
02:38:12 But if an emergency wiretap is good enough for John Godden?02:38:16 Why is it not good enough for the unabomb?
02:38:21 The emergency wiretap is good enough for John Gotti.
02:38:24 Why is it not good enough for some wacko who blows up?
02:38:29 Or is about to blow up a federal building in Wilmington, DE.
02:38:34 Or Washington DC.
Devon
02:38:41 Guess what?02:38:43 The right wing went along with it too.
02:38:46 Here's Bob dole.
Speaker 56
02:38:48 And over the past month, we've worked in a bipartisan manner to craft what will surely be the toughest anti terrorism bill ever to become law.02:38:56 This week, to honor the memory of those who suffered in Oklahoma and the Congress will send to President Clinton this landmark bipartisan anti terrorism bill.
02:39:04 It has the support of the Republican governor of Oklahoma, Frank Keating.
02:39:08 And Oklahoma's Democrat Attorney General Drew Edmondson.
Devon
02:39:14 And notice how he he cited the Oklahoma City bombing.02:39:21 Just like you know, once again.
Speaker 20
02:39:25 Well, Mr.02:39:26 Chairman, I certainly agree that we are facing a more dangerous period than we faced in Oklahoma City.
Devon
02:39:34 That was before he was confirmed.02:39:40 He said that we are facing a more dangerous period now today.
02:39:44 Than they were during the Oklahoma City bombing.
02:39:51 Well, now he's.
02:39:52 In charge.
02:39:52 What does he have to say?
Speaker 20
02:39:55 During President Biden's first week in office, he directed the administration to undertake an assessment of the domestic terrorism threat and then to use that assessment to develop the national strategy being released today.02:40:08 Our intelligence and law enforcement agencies undertook that assessment in the first several weeks of this administration.
02:40:16 In March, they concluded that domestic violent extremists posed an elevated threat to the homeland in 2021.
02:40:25 Our experience on the ground confirms this.
02:40:27 The number of open FBI domestic terrorism investigations this year has increased significantly.
02:40:35 According to an unclassified summary of the March Intelligence assessment, the two most lethal elements of the domestic violence extremist threat are racially or ethnically motivated.
02:40:46 Violent extremists and militia violent extremists in the FBI's view, the top domestic violent extremist threat comes from racially or ethnically.
02:40:56 Motivated violent extremists, specifically those who advocated for the superiority of the white race.
02:41:04 The March assessment concluded that the that the militia violent extremist threat, which is describes as those who quote take over steps to violently resist or facilitate the overthrow of the United States government in.
02:41:17 Support of their.
02:41:18 Belief that the United States government is purportedly exceeding its constitutional authority.
02:41:24 Also increased last year and will almost certainly continue to be elevated throughout 2021.
02:41:32 Particularly concerning is the March assessments observation that the threat from loan vendors or small cells poses significant detection and disruption challenges.
02:41:45 Because of those actors, capacity for independent radical radicalization to violence.
02:41:52 Ability to mobilize discreetly and access to firearms.
02:41:57 The domestic violent extremist threat is also rapidly evolving as FBI Director Ray has noted, we continue to observe actors driven by a diverse set of violent motivations, sometimes personalized and developed from a mix of violent ideologies.
02:42:16 Developments in technology exacerbate the overall threat.
02:42:20 Today, people may be drawn to social media and then to encrypted communications channels.
02:42:27 There they may interact with like minded people across the country and indeed the world want to commit violent attacks.
02:42:35 And they may then connect with others who are formulating attack plans, as well as mustering the resources, including firearms and explosives, to execute them.
02:42:47 Technology has amplified and enabled transnational elements of the threat.
Devon
02:42:57 So there you go.02:43:00 You are the number one threat.
02:43:02 Pat Cohn is back on the table.
02:43:05 Don't think that it's not.
02:43:12 They're saying look, it's the same ************* saying the same ******* things and doing the same ******* things.
02:43:32 Nothing's changed. Nothing's changed.
02:43:37 Look at all the evidence that look just in the in the few the two last two cases we talked about look at all the evidence that obviously something was up, something major and not like and not even like speculative evidence.
02:43:54 Obvious evidence that something was up with.
02:43:57 The Oklahoma City bombing.
02:44:00 Super obvious.
02:44:02 On the record obvious.
02:44:05 Lots of missing tapes and documents.
02:44:08 Obvious, even former FBI agents saying this is obvious, obvious.
02:44:18 No press covers it.
02:44:21 And even if they did.
02:44:24 No one would do anything.
02:44:35 Waco same exact thing.
02:44:38 Tons and tons and tons and tons.
02:44:40 Of on video evidence.
02:44:45 No one, no one's in trouble.
Speaker 13
02:44:47 Because of that.Devon
02:44:49 No one's even in trouble when these documents disappear.Speaker 14
02:44:56 Why wouldn't they disappear?Devon
02:44:59 Why would you keep records at all if?02:45:01 You were the FBI.
02:45:04 What's going to happen if you lose everything?
Speaker 13
02:45:12 Literally nothing.Devon
02:45:24 What's to prevent them from just disappearing people?02:45:26 At this point?
Speaker 13
02:45:31 You think that doesn't happen?02:45:33 Of course it does.
Devon
02:45:36 Just ask that cop that they they.02:45:39 Suicided in that field.
02:45:45 Just ask all those people that died in the Oklahoma City bombing or in Waco or at Ruby Ridge.
02:46:00 Or at the World Trade Center for that matter.
02:46:09 And whatever's next? Because **** why.
Speaker 14
02:46:13 Why **** ** a?Devon
02:46:13 Good thing you know.Speaker 14
02:46:15 Why change it?02:46:16 The formula works.
Devon
02:46:27 So anyway, that's.02:46:30 That's Part 3.
02:46:35 Of the.
02:46:39 Healing hate.
Speaker 13
02:46:48 White supremacists?Devon
02:46:51 Trying to take over the capital.02:46:58 Indivisible healing. Hate.
02:47:03 All right.
02:47:04 Let me take a look at.
02:47:04 Super chats.
02:47:10 Or hyper chats or I don't know what they call them.
02:47:15 All right, Quebec.
02:47:18 Quebec, with the the *** **** money $100.
02:47:25 Let's see here.
02:47:26 I got to get.
02:47:27 I got to.
02:47:28 I got to load some new ones here.
Speaker 21
02:47:30 My ***** that had my money.Devon
02:47:35 Regrettably, I have to work tomorrow.02:47:37 I'll have to catch the upload.
02:47:38 Well, I appreciate that.
02:47:41 Uncle Teddy just sends $5 in a shekel icon.
02:47:49 Appreciate that.
02:47:51 My cute little old friend $25 preciate that so if we move out of the cities, are we going to get annihilated like those Branch Davidians?
02:48:00 Look, that's that's a possibility.
02:48:03 But if you live in the cities, you might get annihilated, like those people in the Oklahoma City, you know, building or the people in the World Trade Center.
02:48:12 If you're gonna get annihilated, you're you're you're gonna get annihilated.
02:48:22 I have more to say about this topic.
02:48:25 That leads me to believe it's preferable to be out of the city.
02:48:30 I can't speak.
02:48:31 With specificity about that.
02:48:36 I will say.
02:48:39 Well, I'm trying to think of a way to put it.
02:48:45 I don't know.
02:48:47 Oh, by the way, the the new shirt is I listed that it's on the it's on the UM.
02:48:54 The video info.
02:48:56 So get it while I get it while it's still available.
02:49:02 And I'll tell you what.
02:49:02 That's the new shirt is partially the answer I have for that.
02:49:09 Pebble in the pond $5 appreciate that.
02:49:13 It's incredible to see this deep dive into healing the hate.
02:49:17 I've been looking forward to this part.
02:49:20 Yeah, it's, it's it's just funny because they, they they don't talk.
02:49:24 They just have these ******* lying sacks of **** who were involved in engineering these tragedies that they are now blaming on basically.
02:49:34 Christian White boomers and then trying to say that that's, you know, somehow tie, you know, Timothy McVeigh is is somehow.
02:49:44 Inspired January 6.
02:49:46 It's it's just so disgusting.
02:49:48 It's so disgusting, but it's a great opportunity for a lot of people on the right who don't know a lot about this stuff because it happened so long ago, and it.
02:49:56 And so it's at this point it's a history class.
02:49:59 You're not going to get.
02:50:01 It's another reason why you need to homeschool your kids, because this is literally the kind of history you should be teaching kids right out the gate.
02:50:10 Because it matters.
02:50:13 It will change the way they see the world.
02:50:15 It will change the way they think.
02:50:17 Don't think.
02:50:17 Oh my kids.
02:50:18 Too young for this?
02:50:19 Are the kids in elementary schools all around the country that have to watch required Holocaust class ****?
02:50:27 Is that?
02:50:27 Are they too young for that?
02:50:34 I learned all about the Revolutionary War and the Civil War and all that stuff when.
02:50:38 I was like 10.
02:50:40 Probably younger.
02:50:46 They're not too young for this stuff, the younger the better.
02:50:50 This, this, this is the kind of history you need to.
02:50:53 Be teaching your kids.
02:50:55 They need to understand how the world works so they don't have to.
02:51:01 Unprogrammed themselves just to understand what the hell is going on.
02:51:05 And it's better that they learn this stuff now, and it's a normal thing because look, there's so many people that get broken when they have to undo the programming.
02:51:16 In both directions, there's some people that head in the sand, right, they can't hear this stuff because they can't make it through the day without just, you know.
02:51:24 Wanting to slit their wrists or whatever. And then there's, like the psychos that just go off the deep end and think everything's fake.
02:51:31 And nothing's real. And they're just as useless to us.
02:51:40 You want your kid to know about reality and this is the reality of the world.
02:51:43 You think the ruling class?
02:51:50 You think when they they create their future leaders?
02:51:54 They don't tell them how the world works, how it really works, and you don't think that.
02:51:59 I mean, don't you think that's one of the massive advantages they give their children?
02:52:04 Give it to yours.
02:52:09 Electrical tape $7.00 appreciate that since we are finding it hard to create a single word to describe the similarities between Satanists and libertarians. Do you think words and terms like amoralist political satanist would do the rhetorical trick? Are those rubbish as well? None of them make me none of them tickle my.
02:52:31 My I don't know my brain.
02:52:32 My word bone.
02:52:35 How to put it, but clearly I'm.
02:52:38 I'm the wrong person has my my, the my rhetoric bone, I don't know.
02:52:45 Yeah, I mean I'm, I'm.
02:52:46 I'm sure there's going to be some other term.
02:52:49 I'm sure there's gonna be.
02:52:50 Some time in the meantime.
02:52:53 Just just call them Satanists.
02:52:55 Why don't how about that?
02:52:56 Just call them Satanists.
02:52:59 If they say I'm a libertarian.
02:53:00 Oh, you're.
02:53:01 A satanist?
02:53:01 I don't know that.
02:53:06 Well, I didn't know you were a Satanist.
02:53:10 Just don't be a weirdo about it.
02:53:11 Just like, say it casually.
02:53:13 Maybe that's just the way to do it, right?
02:53:16 I don't know you were Satanist.
02:53:28 In the meantime, at least I mean.
02:53:30 I I'm OK with it.
02:53:31 I'm actually OK.
02:53:32 With it.
02:53:37 Or even just Luciferian.
02:53:39 I mean, that's that's all.
02:53:42 That's basically it.
02:53:43 I guess that would, I'm sure other people have already recommended that who are who are screaming at their screens right now, Luciferian sounds good.
02:53:51 I mean, because that way sickness sounds a little too.
02:53:57 I mean, it's accurate, but Luciferian makes it.
02:54:02 It's a different word and it sounds kind of like libertarian, but yeah, why try to mix it up?
02:54:10 Just call.
02:54:10 Luciferians. Oh, you're Lucifer.
02:54:12 Oh, you see the the new Luciferian candidate for president?
02:54:18 I mean, I don't like it, but.
02:54:19 Like it, it's better than nothing.
02:54:23 Until we can think of something better, I guess.
02:54:29 Burger, kosher salt, $25 appreciate that. Hi, Devin. Brilliant stream once again. Thank you. I have an unrelated question.
02:54:38 So I was wondering what you yelled at Bill Kristol. That one time, was it Israel did 9/11 or Israel needs to fight their own dirty wars.
02:54:48 You son of a Trotskyite *****.
02:54:50 Hey, Neo con bagel sniffer.
02:54:52 No, it was it was.
02:54:55 It was about Seth Rich.
02:54:57 It was.
02:54:58 He was pretending that, like WikiLeaks was like a Russian spy operation.
02:55:05 It was.
02:55:07 Who is he?
02:55:07 He was talking to.
02:55:10 Uh, you know, some Clinton administration guy.
02:55:16 I forget the the guy.
02:55:19 Yeah, it was.
02:55:20 Just it was in it was.
02:55:21 When the Neo cons were in full on WikiLeaks is.
02:55:28 Is Russian intelligence.
02:55:32 Harmless G.
02:55:33 Hey, Devin, I declare you an honorary member of the electrical engineer master race.
02:55:39 Also, do you make up for your dysgenic spiteful mutant ears with the Mormon glow?
02:55:45 The distinctive high skin qualities of Mormons?
02:55:50 My mutant ears.
02:55:52 I don't have mutant.
02:55:53 Ears I have.
02:55:55 Pretty sure I got normal ears.
02:55:57 With the Mormon glow.
02:55:59 Not sure what the.
02:56:00 Mormon glow is.
02:56:01 The distinctively high skin quality of Mormons.
02:56:08 I don't know.
02:56:09 I've never heard of the Mormon glow.
02:56:11 Or the mutant ears.
02:56:16 I got normal ears.
02:56:18 I got good ears in fact.
02:56:20 I don't think I got mutineers, unless you're talking about how I get the attached earlobes.
02:56:24 Is that like a weird thing?
02:56:25 I always thought attached to earlobes were weird.
02:56:28 Detached is the where it's at.
02:56:36 Guitar dude 1356.
02:56:40 If and when the Jews succeed and the US turns into Brazil unless drastic change occurs.
02:56:47 Do you think they'll try to take China down next?
02:56:50 I think they've been trying to infiltrate China for decades now with success because they don't look Chinese, unlike here or without success.
Speaker 14
02:57:01 You know they've they've.Devon
02:57:03 Israel's got.02:57:04 A lot of financial ties with China, but I don't know.
02:57:09 I don't know enough about, you know, it's one of those things where.
02:57:14 You'd kind of you'd have to.
02:57:15 I'd love to.
02:57:15 Be a fly on the wall during one of those meetings.
02:57:19 But yeah, I don't think you're right in that.
02:57:22 Look, the Chinese are well aware of Jewish power in the West.
02:57:27 They teach about it in school.
02:57:30 It's in their textbooks.
02:57:33 And Jews don't look Chinese.
02:57:36 But they still have influence in China.
02:57:39 I mean, they're not dumb.
02:57:40 Obviously they, they, they they've known this is going to be.
02:57:44 A rival because at the end of day, what is this, right?
Speaker 13
02:57:51 What is it?Devon
02:57:54 They are trying, they they are trying to be.02:57:57 The the alpha.
02:57:59 They are trying to remove competing groups.
02:58:02 So obviously they're going to see that China is going to be a, a competing group.
02:58:09 A very competent.
02:58:12 Hard to.
02:58:15 Counter competing group and look, it's not like the West fell overnight.
02:58:21 The influence of.
02:58:25 Of like the Rothschilds, as an example started in what like the?
02:58:33 1600s.
02:58:37 It's not like it just right away.
02:58:40 They were telling everyone what to do and and steering.
02:58:44 The policy of every government, I mean little by little, they've they've.
02:58:49 They've taken control of the West.
02:58:52 But it's they play the long game.
02:58:56 And I suspect there's a similar.
02:58:59 Strategy. That's.
02:59:02 Addressing China.
02:59:05 In fact, look if if the last couple days have said anything, I think they're willing to.
02:59:12 Why not?
02:59:14 Why not use the United States Golem?
02:59:16 To deal with China.
02:59:21 Right, finance both sides and see who you know and then side with whoever, just like the the Rothschilds.
02:59:27 They finance the both sides of European wars, you know, finance.
02:59:32 Why not finance Napoleon and and England.
02:59:38 And whoever wins.
02:59:40 That's who we're we're loyal to.
02:59:48 Nationalist homestead, $5 preciate that I keep stickers with links to defiant to hand out to white people whenever I'm out in public.
02:59:57 When I'm trying to red pill people, I like to recommend Hell Storm as second documentary.
03:00:03 What sequence of videos would you recommend?
03:00:06 Also wanted to recommend the plot against the church by.
03:00:10 Maurice penname.
03:00:13 Hell Storm, I feel like that's.
03:00:15 Where I don't think I've seen hell Storm.
03:00:19 And I definitely haven't seen the plot against.
03:00:21 The church.
03:00:25 I don't really have like a yeah, I don't know.
03:00:31 I think honestly.
03:00:33 It depends on the person, but what I'm trying to convince people, and this might sound weird coming from someone who makes videos.
03:00:40 I don't usually show them videos.
03:00:44 Defiant is is an exception.
03:00:46 That's why I made that video specifically to try to just beat people over the head with that.
03:00:52 That just won't that refuse to see it.
03:00:56 You know that refused to accept that whites are in a tight spot.
03:01:01 At the very least, right?
03:01:04 The the people that think everything's fine, everything's fine. Like I specifically designed that video to to beat him over the head with the idea.
03:01:11 That no, it's not. Look.
03:01:16 But usually when I'm trying to convince people or to see things my way and.
03:01:24 It's just I try to do it.
03:01:27 Verbally, and I guess that's just because obviously that's why I do strings that's.
03:01:33 I got the gift of gab.
03:01:34 I don't know, but yeah, so I never really think about the videos.
03:01:40 I don't even really have like a list of.
03:01:45 See, that's the thing too, is usually the videos that I like, the videos that I get the most out of our videos.
03:01:50 I know most people wouldn't sit through, you know, like they're like 4 hour long videos that now, like the Kay Griggs.
03:01:57 I remember telling people forever to watch the K grig stuff.
03:01:59 It's like it's like 9 hours or something like it's it's like 9 hours, it's like.
03:02:04 Maybe it's seven hours, but it's like really long.
03:02:07 And I had and I eventually had to do a stream on because I knew no one was ever going to ******* watch it.
03:02:11 They're just, like, way too long.
03:02:13 But that's the kind of stuff that I get a lot out of, but I know that most people.
03:02:17 Aren't going to do that, you know.
03:02:23 But yeah, you.
03:02:24 Know I haven't seen these other two, but.
03:02:27 It's in good.
03:02:28 They're they're in good company.
03:02:29 If you got the fight there, that's pretty cool they're doing.
03:02:32 The sticker thing.
03:02:34 Guitar Dude 1356, why not team up with China Asian countries? Also, high IQ folks, traditional values and they like Western culture people.
03:02:45 Probably a reason why Asian Americans get ****** in the West.
03:02:50 Also, they never cover black on Asian attacks.
03:02:54 Affirmative action also screws us.
03:02:56 The problem with that is.
03:02:58 Asians never vote, almost never vote right wing.
03:03:04 Almost never.
03:03:04 Asians are like natural communists.
03:03:06 Like I'll tell you what, if if Republicans want to go around saying like.
03:03:11 Oh yeah.
03:03:12 They're like, that's you're looking conservatives.
03:03:14 Well, then, Asians are natural ******* commies like that. They are for sure, 100%. And they're just, they're collectivist in nature.
03:03:24 And their collectivists not in like the way that.
03:03:30 Makes them want to collect with.
03:03:32 You, you know, like.
03:03:34 They're very so, it's.
03:03:37 We're we're just, they're very foreign.
03:03:40 I mean, they're.
03:03:41 I don't think you can.
03:03:41 Get more culturally foreign.
03:03:46 Even genetically, really in many ways.
03:03:49 Then blacks and Asians, like that's like the extremes in different directions.
03:03:55 From like if you look at whites.
03:03:57 As like the.
03:03:59 The midpoint there.
03:04:00 I don't know.
03:04:01 Look, I'm all about having.
03:04:03 What the left would call allies from all groups, really.
03:04:08 I'm not opposed to like based the existence of based black guys or based Asian guys, or you know what I mean.
03:04:15 I just that's not.
03:04:16 My focus, and I'm not like extra impressed with it like, you know, like conservatives like, are super excited to oh.
03:04:22 My God, it's a.
03:04:23 Base black guy.
03:04:25 No, I'm.
03:04:26 I'm just not impressed with it.
03:04:27 I'm not impressed with it, but I'm.
03:04:29 I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.
03:04:34 I don't think.
03:04:34 We need to ban to, you know, and plus like, how would you even do that?
03:04:38 You know, like, oh, let's.
03:04:39 Let's team up with China.
03:04:40 Does that.
03:04:40 Mean start getting money from China like the the government's going.
03:04:44 To just start.
03:04:45 You know what I mean?
03:04:48 And they look Trump signed that that speed of antiterrorism laws.
03:04:54 That's that's the quickest way to go to federal prison now.
03:04:59 Because they passed that law.
03:05:03 I don't know if it was right before Trump or right after Trump got elected, but they made the excuse the Russian interference was the excuse, right?
03:05:11 Where if they think I I forget the exact wording, but the bottom line is if they can tie like my show for example.
03:05:20 Right.
03:05:20 If they were to time what I do here to.
03:05:25 What they would, what they would call Russian.
03:05:30 Or Chinese or or.
03:05:31 It doesn't matter like it could be.
03:05:34 South African money, right, they could start saying that I'm.
03:05:38 I'm a foreign agent.
03:05:40 So like, I forget how they word it.
03:05:41 But basically it it it they created a new kind of criminal.
03:05:50 You know that's that's they created a new kind.
03:05:53 Of thought criminal.
03:05:56 And that is someone that has ideas that the state doesn't like, that somehow receives funding from a, A, an.
03:06:03 A foreign source.
03:06:07 So if you start teaming up with China in any kind of official capacity, they.
03:06:10 Can I mean?
03:06:12 At least would they do it?
03:06:13 I don't know.
03:06:14 But they'd have the at.
03:06:15 Least the the legal.
03:06:17 Ability to come after you.
03:06:20 Rob H $5 appreciate that Mister Stack this series is fantastic. Can we get a hard R for the culture?
03:06:28 Hard R for the culture.
03:06:32 I don't know what you mean by the.
03:06:33 Hard R for the culture.
03:06:38 So yeah.
03:06:43 You have to be more specific than that.
03:06:44 I mean, I know I know what hard R is referencing too, but I don't I.
03:06:47 Don't know what the for the culture part.
03:06:50 I don't know what you're getting at there.
03:06:55 Gee thoughts on the film?
03:06:58 The passion of the Christ.
03:06:59 I know a lot of Jews see that it.
03:07:01 I also like that instead of making Satan look like a red cartoon, they depicted him as a creepy lesbian FTM ******.
Speaker 14
03:07:12 I liked it.Devon
03:07:14 I mean, it's been a long.03:07:15 Time since I've seen it.
03:07:17 I thought it was OK.
03:07:20 I thought the the devil was pretty creepy and it had the little creepy mini devil that was inside the the robes of the devil.
03:07:32 What's the other one that?
03:07:35 Than he did Apocalypto, I thought.
03:07:37 Was pretty good too.
03:07:42 Gee, I disagree with teaming up with Asians because although they are high IQ, high income and low crime, they vote Democrat at even higher rates than Hispanics.
03:07:51 They buy all the anti white propaganda and education systems and fully support.
03:07:55 Yeah, exactly they do.
03:07:56 They do.
03:07:58 They really do.
03:08:02 Harmless. Gee, there is an UNS review article called Beware of Over class immigrants who want to dispossess White America, which lays out the problems of high skilled legal immigrants, mostly from Asia, will become a part of America's elite and push the anti white agenda at that level like the Jews.
03:08:22 No, it's just it's just like another.
03:08:23 Class of.
03:08:25 It's just another competing.
03:08:26 Group only that's more competent than.
03:08:30 The competing groups we've historically had to deal with.
03:08:34 You got high performing groups like Indians, Asians, they come into our countries and instead of taking like the.
03:08:43 The job where you're carrying around a leaf blower, they're CEOs of things like Twitter.
03:08:53 Which is.
03:08:53 Kind of a big deal.
03:09:00 Uh postmaster?
03:09:04 This stream has Chechnya vibes.
03:09:08 I'm not sure what you mean by that Chechnya vibes.
03:09:12 Some false flag stuff in Chechnya, probably.
03:09:17 Hammer thorazine, $10. Appreciate that. The narrator of the propaganda wasn't a CIA agent, but he sure did play one on TV, literally. For a decade. They chose him for this role on purpose. Among others, the show was home.
03:09:32 Well, on that show is to get people to like the fact that there's Homeland Security like, oh, yeah, you should love that.
03:09:37 We have this entire agency meant to destroy white Christian men.
03:09:42 I mean, that's what Homeland Security was for.
03:09:44 Homeland Security was not for uh, the scary Muslims.
03:09:49 It wasn't, and in fact especially we didn't really spend any time on that.
03:09:55 But notice how the same explosive expert that was saying that the federal building in Oklahoma City was by that truck bottom bomb was the same explosive expert that that did.
03:10:11 The data for the first World Trade Center.
03:10:17 That everyone always forgets happened that the FBI's almost, almost 100% engineered.
03:10:28 Knight Nation review. You have to let me get you on a channel on shing.tv as a backup for when Odyssey is being ****** for you.
03:10:38 It works great for me and is owned by the right people who won't censor you.
03:10:42 It works great for me if you fill out the channel application, I can get robbed to issue you a channel.
03:10:49 Well, I'll check into it.
03:10:50 Yeah, I don't know.
03:10:51 I've never, never looked at that.
03:10:53 I just can't like.
03:10:56 I can't like multistream.
03:10:57 You know what, I.
03:10:58 Mean like I can't.
03:10:59 I mean, if I can, just if it's another place to upload to maybe.
03:11:05 But is it really?
03:11:05 Going to get the kind of traffic that.
03:11:09 Is it going to get like 10 views?
03:11:11 Is what I'm getting at?
03:11:12 Is it worth it because for me to upload things like that are 4 hours long it takes.
03:11:18 Two hours at least.
03:11:19 Right?
03:11:19 And sometimes I gotta just sit here and watch it.
03:11:21 Because it'll, you know, because that crappy Internet will drop out and I gotta restart it.
03:11:26 And I'm.
03:11:28 I don't want to add like.
03:11:29 Yeah, one more place I got to upload to unless it's going to be seen by people, you know.
03:11:37 UM.
03:11:39 And as far as streaming live, I can't multi stream right now.
03:11:43 For obvious reasons I can't even I.
03:11:44 Can't even like solo stream sometime.
03:11:47 Harmless she a great movie to do would be American made where Tom Cruise plays Barry Seal, a pilot who ends up working for both the CIA and Pablo Escobar's Medellin cartel as a spy and drug smuggler.
03:12:02 I don't think I've seen that.
03:12:06 I wonder how recent that.
03:12:07 Is you might have to look into that.
03:12:12 On the topic of Pablo Escobar, the Netflix series Narcos, which depicts the story of the Medellin cartel and its first two seasons, has a CIA character who is involved with everyone and plays every side.
03:12:26 I think I.
03:12:27 Saw some episodes of that and it seemed pretty.
03:12:31 OK.
03:12:34 But that was a long time ago.
03:12:39 Disclaimer, I don't pay to watch any of these movies or shows.
03:12:44 You can watch any movie or TV show online for free if you know where to look.
03:12:48 Yes you can.
03:12:52 3:00 AM creeper $5. Appreciate that. I've heard rumors from my fellow Antichrist haters that this could be Tim, Steve M Do.
03:13:04 Duh and toano I don't know what that is.
Speaker
03:13:06 I it.Devon
03:13:08 Had FBI Field Office agent of Detroit.03:13:13 UM.
03:13:16 I don't know what are you sending me here.
03:13:22 What am I looking at?
03:13:30 Steve Antoine.
03:13:40 Oh, oh, you're talking about.
03:13:44 The John Doe #2 being this guy. I mean, I don't know.
03:13:49 I mean it could it?
03:13:50 It could be, but like.
03:13:53 I don't know.
03:13:54 I don't know anything about this guy.
03:14:00 No way to know.
03:14:05 Blood stained or they $1.00? Any other good documentaries, videos that are Hollywood ISM to here? It would be good to upload on YouTube, Normie friendly content like it makes Jews nervous and scatterbrained in trying to manufacture consensus in the comments, new subscribers showed me there is a hunger for that kind of content.
03:14:30 About Hollywood.
03:14:33 I mean, not really.
03:14:34 Hollywood ISM was a rare moment of honesty that happened in the 90s.
03:14:41 I I guess maybe if you look at the 90s, nineties was this weird time where the philosemitism in America was so high?
03:14:50 That openly bragging about Jewish accomplishments that would normally be minimized or even.
03:15:00 Hidden in the past.
03:15:04 You know, it was a celebration of Jewishness that was that didn't illicit panic.
03:15:13 From Jews, because everywhere they looked, people were like sucking up the Jews.
03:15:17 It was, you know, the biggest show on TV was Seinfeld, and everyone was, I mean, it just.
03:15:22 It was.
03:15:24 There wasn't even like.
03:15:28 All, all the, all the comic had to do to get a laugh out of a a crowd with just make some joke about having a Jewish mom or like, oh, that's cause I'm a Jew or just say Jew funny and everyone laughs cause everyone just ******* loved Jews during the 90s.
03:15:42 I don't know why.
03:15:43 I mean, like the propaganda was just I.
03:15:45 Think that was just like the peak?
03:15:47 So if you're, if you're looking for someplace where you're getting a documentary that's bragging about stuff or or is less guarded about Jewish involvement in a particular topic, I would look.
03:16:00 At the 90s.
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03:16:03 UM.Devon
03:16:06 B pill or my Mycroft, Tom's $10 B pill. I come here for the white.03:16:11 Pills realities too.
03:16:12 Depressing. Well, I'll tell.
03:16:13 You what?
03:16:14 I'm shooting at Major B pill tomorrow.
03:16:17 I can't tell you what it is, but it's like major.
03:16:22 And it may lead to be disaster.
03:16:25 Or be.
03:16:28 I'm not sure yet.
03:16:29 I'm going.
03:16:29 To find out tomorrow.
03:16:32 And I'm going to.
03:16:32 I'll wear a body Cam as I do it, and then I'll I'll turn it into a B pill by Saturday or hopefully by Saturday.
03:16:40 I can't.
03:16:40 No promises.
03:16:43 Colonel Edward $1.00. Hey, Devin. How long do you think it will take for the system to implode? I'm still stuck in the city. Ah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know.
03:16:55 I got out just because like, every, every year, it's weirder than the year before.
03:17:03 We're in totally uncharted territory.
03:17:08 You're I.
03:17:08 I feel like you're you're kind of playing with fire, but I who knows, right?
03:17:15 You might have you.
03:17:16 Might have 100 years.
03:17:21 But I I I'm not going to roll the.
03:17:23 Dice on that one.
03:17:25 Damn Bigfoot $3. Appreciate that. I don't know if you ever covered this, but do you believe the group the order that did the armored truck robberies was an attempt to take down Pierce?
03:17:37 It could be.
03:17:39 I haven't done any kind of heavy duty research into them.
03:17:46 But they do get mentioned a lot in a lot of this stuff, but it's it's always like.
03:17:51 A throwaway line like oh, and he was tied to this group the order.
03:17:55 And then they don't really go into.
03:17:56 Detail, but they I mean, at least the official story is.
03:18:02 A lot of those guys are in prison right now, so I mean.
03:18:06 I guess it would be somewhat easy to tell, right?
03:18:09 If they're still in prison.
03:18:13 8 channel $2.00 appreciate that, Devin, I can't help but reveal my power level to my friends and family.
03:18:19 I'm alienating many, but some recognize that I make valid points, but it is tough being rejected and alienated, alienated.
03:18:29 Well, just like I said, be nice about it.
03:18:32 Then maybe you're not being nice about it.
03:18:34 You know, there's there's a difference between not being able to hide your power level and being like an ******* about it.
03:18:42 You know that's that's the thing.
03:18:44 You don't have to hide who you are.
03:18:47 And to not be an *******, you know you can be you be a nice guy and also have unpopular opinions.
03:18:58 That's totally legit.
03:19:00 Also, you don't have to be and you also don't have to talk about it constantly.
03:19:04 Right.
03:19:05 Like it's one thing to.
03:19:12 Hide your hide your true.
03:19:13 Thoughts and opinions about stuff.
03:19:16 But it's something to just not have to bring.
03:19:17 It up all the time.
03:19:20 There's other things in the world.
03:19:24 You know, like bees, for example, would be, you know, for me.
03:19:30 So it's just not something you have to always bring up at the dinner table.
03:19:34 So maybe that's all it is, right?
03:19:36 And look, I get the temptation, especially when you understand the urgency and how deep these problems go, and you want to spread the information and that's important and you should, but maybe it's also important to take a breather.
03:19:49 Every now and again.
03:19:51 So you don't exhaust the people around you.
03:19:54 Who might not have the same interest level or maybe even aptitude.
03:20:01 That you've got.
03:20:04 Before forever $10 appreciate that. Hey, Devin, another great stream. It is chilling to know that these devils will stop at nothing to uphold their BS narrative and policies. I was chatting to an acquaintance recently and he said that he likes the Clintons.
03:20:20 Both of them.
03:20:21 Hey, look, so does Trump.
03:20:24 He said they're nice people.
03:20:29 Very nice people.
03:20:32 He is beyond hope anyone anyway, looking forward to the next part.
03:20:37 God bless you.
03:20:38 Well, I said Trump.
03:20:39 Trump loves the Clintons too, so you know I wouldn't be too harsh on.
03:20:44 Your friend.
03:20:47 Mine campy chair, $10 per shape that shout out to my neighbor Johnny. If you're watching, I introduced him to this stream after he overheard me watching it out of my balcony.
03:20:58 It was the Independence Day stream and the first thing he hears is Devin shutting.
03:21:05 Look how jewy this fagot is.
03:21:07 There you go.
03:21:08 Was I talking about Merrick Garland?
03:21:12 Because it could apply to this guy too.
03:21:17 6% or Teja?
03:21:20 6% of all Asians derived directly from Genghis Khan. He had a ministry for the supply of fertile women.
03:21:29 Yeah, there's a shocking amount of Asians that are all related to one guy, which is why they all look very similar.
03:21:39 Tennis nuts $3. Great stream. Just wanted to mention John MacArthur of whoops and actually ohh good. At least an update to the very.
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03:21:46 Top like he used to do.Devon
03:21:49 Of grace to you, a church who has stood their ground with traditional values.03:21:55 They don't speak on every problem, but they do address LGBT and the take over the church almost every week.
03:22:02 Well, that's cool.
03:22:04 John MacArthur of Grace to you.
03:22:08 I'm not familiar with them, but maybe I'll check.
03:22:10 Them out sometime.
03:22:12 Green poop 45-2 dollars. Appreciate that first time donator been watching your content since the YouTube days. How do you feel about HR 18?
03:22:21 08 I think the boomers and most other people will do nothing if it passes in the Senate and would probably turn in their guns as well. Also ever look into the.
03:22:32 Miracle of Fatima. It ties into many things. HR 1808 is that the new gun control?
03:22:39 Law. Let me look.
03:22:45 Yeah. OK.
03:22:48 Now this is the.
03:22:50 Banning of art.
03:22:54 Alright, let's see here. Yeah.
03:22:57 Makes it a crime to knowingly import cell manufactured transfer possessed semi automatic weapons.
03:23:04 Or large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
03:23:12 It basically it.
03:23:13 It would set you back to having like bolt action, ******* rifles and shotguns.
03:23:23 Right.
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03:23:25 Yeah, I mean, I.Devon
03:23:25 Don't know.03:23:26 I don't, I don't.
03:23:27 Think this will go anywhere?
03:23:30 I think this would be a a the the two the 2nd amendment.
03:23:36 ******* who never actually do anything, I think this might actually activate their almonds a little too much.
03:23:44 And As for the Fatima thing, I don't know.
03:23:48 I've watched a few videos on it.
03:23:49 It seems kind of like Catholic lore that I don't quite understand.
03:23:56 But who knows?
03:23:58 I just don't.
03:23:59 Part of it is I just don't believe in, like Mary being a thing.
03:24:03 I mean, obviously I think she was a person.
03:24:06 But I don't think.
03:24:07 God sends women to do men's work, to put it plainly.
03:24:14 Colonel Edward $1.00, whenever you bring up bees, it makes me think of Nicolas Cage at the end of the Wicker man.
03:24:22 Yeah, I I've never seen the Nicolas Cage version of that and the 80s version I saw.
03:24:27 I saw like a billion years ago, so I'd have to look at it.
03:24:32 Damn Bigfoot $3. My ex made me watch homeland, one of the newer seasons had a Waco Ruby Ridge plot line with that Jewish narrator Guy being a negotiator, painting feds is good. Of course. Of course it did. Yeah. I mean, honestly, he's probably.
03:24:49 Because look, a lot of people who are on television are also CIA.
03:24:54 We're also tied to intelligence agencies.
03:24:59 Just because he just plays the CIA agent or or, you know, Homeland Security agent or whatever it is right on TV doesn't mean he doesn't have direct ties to these people in real life.
03:25:12 In fact, I almost feel like he'd have to.
03:25:16 If you look at the roster of people, the people that are involved in this awful ******* show.
03:25:22 There's almost no way.
03:25:23 He doesn't have connections to these people.
03:25:27 Or it could just be, you know, they could just cast.
03:25:29 The guy because if you know.
03:25:33 Enough people trust him.
03:25:34 He's got that trustable voice.
03:25:39 All right, last but not least, just came in Champ $1.00. Never relax around blacks, never snooze around Jews.
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03:25:47 There you go.Devon
03:25:50 Alright guys.03:25:52 Well, I'm going to put a close to this.
03:25:55 I'm pretty tired.
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03:25:56 Part 4.Devon
03:25:59 Part 4 will be on Saturday.03:26:02 And we will have a AB pill possibly.
03:26:08 Check out the.
03:26:08 New shirts.
03:26:10 The I took away one of the old ones and have inserted the new one.
03:26:14 So get them all your get them all the getting.
03:26:18 'S good.
03:26:19 And I'm going to get better about updating them more often.
03:26:21 Like I wanted to do it every other stream and I kind of dropped the.
03:26:24 Ball for a few streams there.
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03:26:25 OK.Devon
03:26:26 So anyway and then, yeah, fascist Freddy just mentioned the Carlson applied to the CIA and Anderson Cooper did some work for the CIA student.03:26:34 Yeah, that's the thing.
03:26:35 So many people on TV.
03:26:38 Are are tied directly to these agencies?
03:26:41 Tucker Carlson is no exception.
03:26:45 Alright guys, I hope you guys have a wonderful evening.
03:26:48 I'll see you on Saturday for Black pill line, of course.
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03:26:54 There's that.Speaker 21
03:26:57 16 years with the year 2019 years old, what happens is that we pay 56% of. It's just going to pay the interest on the debt. He will be paid.03:27:00 Early tax dollar.
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03:27:09 Paying for what we live.Speaker 21
03:27:11 John, we should be investing to allow him to be.03:27:15 Able to live on something Joe Biden.
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03:27:17 Wants an immediate budget phrase, a constitutional amendment to limit spending, and a fair tax bill to guarantee our children's future. Delaware's own Joe Biden.Speaker 5
03:28:46 Big boat sailing out across Oklahoma on the man made river and canal.03:28:53 Hey, cowboy.
03:28:54 You better watch out for the riverboat.
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03:28:55 Are there?Speaker 5
03:28:56 Sailor Man will steal your girl.03:29:00 I never conceived or ever believed that in my life I'd seen a big boat sailing up the Semoran River out on the lone Prairie.
03:29:14 It gives my heart a thrill.
03:29:18 To see the big boulders steaming through the jungle across the Oklahoma Hills.
03:29:26 Big boat sailing out across Oklahoma on the man made river and Canal cowboy.
03:29:33 You better watch out.
03:29:34 All the river.
03:29:35 Boat Sailor Man will steal your gown.
03:29:47 The big boats breezed through the Florida Keys and the Gulf of Mexico.
03:29:53 Then the hidden N from New Orleans through the Louisiana by turn left at the Arkansas on the Interstate Waterway.
03:30:07 Across Oklahoma.
03:30:08 Up to Wichita.
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03:30:13 Big boats.Speaker 5
03:30:14 Sailing out across Oklahoma on the man made river and canal.03:30:19 Hey, hey.
03:30:20 Cowboy, you better.
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03:30:21 Watch out or the.Speaker 5
03:30:22 River boat Sailor man was steel yell.03:30:27 Hey, hey.
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03:30:28 Cowboy, you better watch out.Speaker 5
03:30:30 Or the riverboats Sailor Man will steal all the river boat, Sailor Man will steal your can.03:30:37 All the river boat Sailor Man will steal your gas all the river.