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Figure it out Yourself Collegeboy - 06/26/2019

Display stream descriptionThis stream offers a personal and critical perspective on the debate over college loan forgiveness. The host argues against debt cancellation, emphasizing personal responsibility and the unfairness to those who avoided debt or paid their way through alternative means. The stream discusses the broader implications of bailouts, networking advantages, and the value of education, ultimately questioning the ethics and justice of forgiving student loans.
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Devon
00:00:00 Well hello, this was going to be a stream, but apparently my Internet is throttled down to 2G, so I'm going to record this and then I don't.
00:00:18 Know upload it for.
00:00:20 Three days.
Speaker 2
00:00:21 And then maybe, maybe.
Devon
00:00:23 It'll get uploaded.
00:00:24 You know?
00:00:25 I'm halfway kidding.
00:00:27 It it really will take a really long time.
00:00:29 Hours for me to upload this.
00:00:32 But I'm I'm looking at getting some different Internet I've I've been experimenting 3 different ways and I'm hoping the 3rd way three times the charm and getting me reliable Internet access that you know allows me to stream reliably.
00:00:50 So anyway this.
00:00:51 Is a recorded stream, which is why I'm not going to edit this.
00:00:54 It's kind of just me free balling a little bit with this college loan reimbursement thing that people keep talking about and you know, I got to say.
00:01:07 I'm hearing some some kind of screwy ideas and hearing a lot of people I I wouldn't expect to hear supporting this idea and.
00:01:21 Let me just say first and foremost, yet no ******* way.
00:01:25 No ******* way.
00:01:27 And not because of some stupid, you know, libertarian RNC, neo con view of, you know, you know, get yourself up by the bootstraps.
00:01:38 No, it's just because.
00:01:39 You listen to what you're saying when you're saying that we should forgive debt.
00:01:44 You think what you're saying is well, you.
Speaker 2
00:01:47 Know we've bailed out the banks.
Speaker 3
00:01:49 Let's bail out the people.
00:01:50 Let's bail out the.
Speaker 4
00:01:51 People for once.
Devon
00:01:53 Ohh, you know, we're just stealing from the banks.
00:01:55 We're just stealing from the schools.
00:01:57 No, you're stealing from people.
00:01:59 Like me.
00:02:02 You're stealing from people like me.
00:02:05 That saw the scam or thought maybe I wouldn't be able to afford to pay that off.
00:02:10 Maybe because I was going into a field.
00:02:13 Where it wasn't guaranteed I'd be getting tons of money and I didn't have rich parents.
00:02:20 That it was probably a better idea that I was just I I was self-taught.
00:02:25 And then I tried tried doing things that way, I didn't.
00:02:28 Want to go?
00:02:29 100 two $100,000 in the debt.
00:02:32 Because I was already.
00:02:33 Worried about how I was ever going to pay?
00:02:35 That kind of money off for a house.
00:02:37 And we'll get into that in a second too.
00:02:40 So I didn't do it.
00:02:43 So let me explain how that's stealing from me.
00:02:48 It's not just if you get your your student.
00:02:51 Loan debt forgiven.
00:02:54 It's not just.
00:02:55 A kick in the balls to me.
00:02:58 That you got a free $100,000 free $200,000.
00:03:03 OK.
00:03:05 If that's where it stopped, I mean, that would still hurt, but if that wouldn't be as bad.
00:03:10 It's not just that it's you get all you think.
00:03:13 First of all, most big.
00:03:15 The biggest thing about school.
00:03:17 Is the networking you think I didn't.
00:03:18 Want to go to film school?
00:03:21 You think I didn't want to go to animation school?
00:03:23 You think I didn't want to have mentors and peers?
00:03:28 You think I wanted to stay up like 4 days at a time watching YouTube videos and trying to find the the right software?
00:03:37 Just bumbling through it myself like for for days on end.
00:03:42 Trying to figure out how to how to do any kind of.
00:03:45 Animation and then you think I.
00:03:46 Wanted to after I started getting somewhat good at it, make free projects myself.
00:03:53 Try to build a portfolio, make fake commercials and **** that I could show.
00:03:58 Some some place that would that would maybe hopefully hire me even though I had no background in education and I didn't know anybody.
00:04:07 You think that's how I wanted to do things?
Speaker 4
00:04:10 Do you think?
Devon
00:04:11 That didn't set me back a little bit.
00:04:17 You're benefiting?
00:04:19 If you get that degree, you're benefiting from the networking aspect of it.
00:04:24 You're benefiting from the education aspect of it.
00:04:30 And you're benefiting not just then. You think I wanted to get paid 20% less than the people that had some piece of paper showing that they were a genius.
Speaker 3
00:04:40 I got the.
00:04:41 I got the genius paper.
00:04:42 I got this paper that says I'm smart.
00:04:46 So I automatically get paid 2020% more.
00:04:51 Devin doesn't have the piece of paper I have the.
00:04:53 Piece of paper.
Devon
00:05:00 You're not just benefiting if, if, if.
00:05:02 If we bail you out now.
00:05:05 You're kicking me?
00:05:06 In the balls, because I don't I I specifically.
00:05:11 Made decisions.
00:05:13 To avoid being in debt, and now you're telling me?
00:05:16 Doesn't ******* matter.
00:05:19 And not only did I not get the networking experience, not only did I not get the the mentoring experience.
00:05:27 Not only did I not get the education itself.
00:05:30 Not the job placement.
00:05:32 Everything that goes.
00:05:32 With that.
00:05:37 But on top of that?
Speaker 3
00:05:39 We're just writing.
Devon
00:05:40 A check, you know and.
Speaker 2
00:05:41 Guess who's paying for that?
Speaker 4
00:05:44 If if you think by the way, you think by the way that that in the end it's going to be.
Speaker 2
00:05:51 Like the banks.
Devon
00:05:52 And and **** that are they're going to pay for.
00:05:54 This here I mean that's that's just completely ********.
00:05:57 Alright, it's it's they'll just like always.
00:06:02 They'll find a way for the middle class.
00:06:04 To be paying this bill, OK.
00:06:07 Even if it sounds good, the way they sell.
Speaker 3
00:06:09 It at the.
Speaker 4
00:06:09 End it's not going to be good.
Speaker 3
00:06:11 So so now I'm I'm paying for it.
Devon
00:06:17 And you're also still benefiting in through like the rest of your life, you still have that, that edge that, that 20%?
00:06:26 Income boost.
00:06:29 You still get favored if you know we have the exact same portfolio.
00:06:35 Or even if yours is slightly worse.
00:06:38 And we apply for the.
Speaker 3
00:06:39 Same job well.
00:06:41 I don't know this.
00:06:42 Guy, he's got the piece of paper saying he's a genius.
00:06:47 A genius that couldn't.
00:06:48 Figure out the whole college loan scam.
00:06:54 So no.
00:06:58 You're you're.
00:06:59 You're such a genius.
Devon
00:07:01 You went to school and you.
Speaker 3
00:07:02 Can say oh, but they tricked me.
00:07:04 They tricked me it.
00:07:05 Was they?
00:07:06 It was manufactured.
00:07:09 They tricked me.
00:07:12 Ohh, not so smart.
00:07:13 Are you college boy?
00:07:14 Getting so tricked, are you?
Speaker 4
00:07:19 See if if that's if that's.
Devon
00:07:20 The way you want.
00:07:21 To go ohh they tricked you.
00:07:23 So I guess I guess you're not responsible, huh?
00:07:26 I guess personal responsibility doesn't matter anymore then, huh?
00:07:31 Is that right?
00:07:33 Well, I got news for you, I guess.
00:07:34 I guess McDonald's and every sugar company.
00:07:39 Needs to start paying for all of the insulin.
Speaker 2
00:07:44 All of it.
Devon
00:07:47 Where does this end?
00:07:48 Where do you draw the line?
00:07:49 Where do you draw the line?
00:07:51 What do you say?
00:07:52 OK, well, well, they.
00:07:54 Manufacture my concern.
00:07:55 How come they didn't manufacture my consent?
00:07:59 How? How is I?
Speaker 2
00:08:03 I don't know.
00:08:04 Like psychic.
00:08:05 How did I read the mind of the evil bankers that were tricking you?
Speaker 4
00:08:10 And figure out it was a bad idea.
Speaker 3
00:08:14 What was it that?
Devon
00:08:15 What were they doing to you that they weren't doing to me?
Speaker 3
00:08:21 So you can ****.
Devon
00:08:22 Right off with that.
00:08:26 You went to school because you.
00:08:27 Wanted to be fancy.
Speaker
00:08:29 You want to.
Speaker 2
00:08:30 Be the genius boy with the fancy car.
00:08:35 You want to make the big money you want to.
00:08:37 Be a programmer.
00:08:41 Want to get a cool tech job in Silicon Valley?
Devon
00:08:47 Or worse, you want to get one.
00:08:48 Of those stupid.
00:08:51 Worthless feminism degrees or something like that.
00:08:54 That's completely meaningless.
00:08:55 And you guys all deserve that ****.
00:08:57 You deserve to be wage slaves the rest of your life.
00:09:02 So basically what I'm saying is only way I'm I'm ******* OK with this at all.
00:09:08 Only way I'm OK with this at all and I'm still.
00:09:11 I'm still losing out is if you cut me a check for $100,000, cut me and everyone else that didn't get tricked. Who? Who's consent magically wasn't.
00:09:23 You cut us all a check.
00:09:26 For $100,000, all right.
00:09:29 And it's a deal still sucks because like I said, you still benefit for the rest of your life.
00:09:35 For having that college experience, having that that little fancy boy piece of paper saying how you're a genius.
00:09:42 So you still benefit the rest of your life, the 100.
00:09:45 $1000 is not.
00:09:48 It doesn't it.
00:09:49 Doesn't even the playing field, but it takes the sting out.
00:09:55 Now another option.
00:09:57 And I'm not.
00:09:58 I'm not as big of a fan about it.
00:10:00 There's there's a funny aspect to this one little there's a little more.
00:10:04 There's a I like justice.
00:10:08 I'm very, very, very concerned with personal responsibility and justice.
00:10:14 And in fact, if you want to.
00:10:15 Figure out where I am on an issue like this issue.
00:10:20 It will almost.
00:10:22 Well, and I hope always come down to justice and personal responsibility every time.
00:10:32 That's how.
00:10:32 That's just how I think.
00:10:33 That's how.
00:10:33 That's my ethics.
00:10:40 The other option.
00:10:42 That, like I said, I'm not even going to say.
00:10:46 That this would make me too happy, but.
00:10:48 It is a little funny.
00:10:51 Instead of wiping out college debt.
00:10:56 Let's let's do it this way.
00:11:00 If you were, if you were so gullible that your consent was manufactured.
Speaker 3
00:11:06 That that you didn't know.
00:11:08 I didn't know.
00:11:09 Everyone was telling me I had to have a degree.
00:11:11 How was I supposed to know?
Devon
00:11:12 Just this NPC that that just goes along with what everyone says and so I didn't think for myself and I just got this stupid piece of paper and now I've.
00:11:22 Got all this debt, OK.
00:11:24 Then return it.
Speaker 4
00:11:27 We'll pay you you.
Devon
00:11:28 Can basically return it like you'd return any product.
00:11:31 We take away a little genius boy piece of paper telling everyone how smart you are.
00:11:38 And we, you know, we refund your money.
00:11:42 Now again, like I said, it's kind of funny because it would.
00:11:47 I don't know.
00:11:47 I would think it was funny.
00:11:50 To watch some of these people have to give back their their little fancy fancy award, the little Gold Star.
Speaker 2
00:11:58 I'm smart.
00:11:58 Look, it says right here.
Devon
00:12:01 I would think that was kind of funny.
00:12:05 But again, it wouldn't really.
00:12:06 I mean it's it's still sting because obviously hopefully they learned at least something.
Speaker 2
00:12:12 From the experience.
Devon
00:12:14 They got the networking, the mentoring and all that stuff, right?
00:12:19 And if nothing else, worst case scenario, I mean, they partied for like 3 or 4 years for free.
00:12:28 If we're paying for it.
00:12:32 So yeah, you guys can **** right off.
Speaker 3
00:12:35 With your.
00:12:35 Oh, let's let's get rid of college debt.
00:12:38 I didn't know how was this pattern know.
Devon
00:12:42 How did I know?
Speaker 3
00:12:46 I'm not a prophet.
00:12:53 How did how did you not know?
Devon
00:12:56 Is a better question.
00:12:58 It's like the bailouts.
00:13:00 The bank bailouts were.
00:13:01 ****** ** shouldn't have happened.
00:13:04 But that's not the only kind of bailouts that happened.
00:13:07 They were bailing.
00:13:08 They did mortgage bailouts, too, and that infuriated me.
00:13:13 Back in 2008.
00:13:15 I had no business.
00:13:18 I was making like, I think like maybe $30,000 a year.
00:13:24 I had no business.
00:13:26 Being approved.
00:13:29 For a home, I actually just probably make a little more than that, but I wasn't making much.
00:13:34 And at the time, I had friends that were making about the same that had three houses.
Speaker 3
00:13:40 Three houses.
Devon
00:13:41 And they were.
00:13:42 Like oh.
00:13:44 You got to get.
00:13:46 A house like this market's just gonna keep going on and on and on to Infinity. Like I just doubled my money on this House and and and and.
00:13:55 And now I got another house and and now I got this adjustable rate mortgage and like, wait, hold on.
00:14:00 What adjustable what?
Speaker 3
00:14:01 And no, no, no, don't don't.
00:14:02 Don't worry about that and and.
Devon
00:14:05 And and I knew I was like, this sounds this is crazy.
00:14:08 This is bad this.
00:14:10 I went in just to check it out, like I went to a bank just to see like what my options were and they were approving me for houses that.
00:14:20 It made no sense because the paperwork I.
00:14:22 Was giving them.
00:14:25 I could only.
00:14:26 I couldn't afford.
00:14:27 Like, there's no way I'd be able to make the payments and they didn't seem to care.
00:14:32 Like they were, they were.
00:14:33 They were approving me still.
00:14:36 And it just it just.
00:14:38 I didn't.
00:14:39 I I was.
00:14:40 I'm not an idiot.
00:14:42 So you could have said that in that situation.
Speaker
00:14:45 Hey man.
Speaker 3
00:14:45 They manufactured your consent, no?
Devon
00:14:50 Manufacturing your consent is.
00:14:54 If I if I waive.
00:14:58 If I wave a hamburger in your face, you don't have to eat it.
00:15:03 OK.
00:15:04 You just, I mean, I don't, I don't understand how this is.
00:15:07 So hard to understand.
00:15:10 So Long story short, I didn't get a house and then when the housing bubble popped.
00:15:16 And I had friends like freaking out because they had three houses that were now all underwater, and they were going bankrupt and foreclosed on.
00:15:24 And all this other nonsense was going on.
00:15:26 And it was.
00:15:26 It was a bloodbath.
00:15:29 I you know, I.
00:15:31 I avoided that.
00:15:35 I avoided that because.
00:15:37 Of personal responsibility.
00:15:40 The bank said we'll give you a $300,000 house. I knew.
00:15:46 There was no way in hell.
00:15:48 I'd be able to make the payments.
00:15:51 So I didn't get it.
00:15:59 So if that's where we're at now, if that's where we're.
00:16:02 At like well if.
00:16:04 You know, like the the we're.
Speaker 2
00:16:06 We're bailing out the banks.
Speaker 4
00:16:07 You know, we might as.
Devon
00:16:08 Well, we might as well get ours before before the ship goes down.
00:16:11 All right.
00:16:12 I kind of get that right.
Speaker 3
00:16:14 But you're.
Devon
00:16:15 Again, like I'm saying, you're not stealing from the banks.
00:16:20 You're you're not stealing from the schools.
00:16:23 You're stealing from me.
00:16:25 And the millions of people like me that would have loved to have gone to school.
00:16:31 Would have loved it.
00:16:32 I would have had a great time.
00:16:35 You think you think I liked instead of going to film school?
00:16:42 Or studying animation.
00:16:43 You think I liked.
00:16:46 Getting up at 4:00 AM.
00:16:49 And and going to some ****** TV station.
00:16:54 Where I had like the worst ******* job, but at least somehow it was tangentially related to to video and and film and and so like I at least got to.
00:17:04 Be kind of around it.
00:17:06 But it paid almost like literally there.
00:17:08 There was a a Taco Bell across the street.
00:17:14 The starting wage.
00:17:17 A level of like.
00:17:19 Several dollars more an hour than what I was making at this TV station.
00:17:26 And then because I had to pay rent.
00:17:30 Because I wasn't living rent free in a dorm.
00:17:35 I had to work as a bouncer.
00:17:41 My day consisted of.
00:17:43 Getting up at like 4:00 AM.
00:17:46 Working at the TV station all day.
00:17:51 Sleeping for a couple of hours.
00:17:54 Going to a bar all night dealing with with drunks like you guys.
00:17:59 With your college loans.
00:18:04 And then.
00:18:06 While without going to sleep because you know bars closed at two had to be at work at at 4:30.
00:18:13 Maybe going home for a little bit after mopping up your puke.
00:18:19 You think I like that you think that was that was.
00:18:21 What I wanted?
00:18:24 You think I liked because I had to claw my way?
00:18:28 To where I was.
00:18:29 Working for people who were like five years younger than me, fresh out of out of college, didn't know what the **** they were doing.
00:18:37 But they had the fancy paper telling everyone that.
Speaker 2
00:18:39 They were a genius.
Devon
00:18:42 So they got higher.
00:18:43 They were my boss.
00:18:45 You think I like that?
00:18:52 All I can say is.
00:18:55 You're the one that wanted to go to college.
00:18:57 You wanted to be the genius.
00:19:00 So now that you're in debt.
00:19:03 Figure that **** out, genius.
00:19:08 For Blackpill dime Devon stack.