INSOMNIA STREAM： CAUGHT IN THE ACT EDITION - 05/16/2026

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00:09:09 Welcome to the Insomnia Stream Caught in the Act edition. I'm your host, of course, Devon Stack. Hope you're all having a good weekend so far. We're halfway through May already. We're halfway through May already. Can't believe this. This year is actually flying by pretty quickly, pretty quick, at least for me.
00:09:37 I don't know about for you guys. I feel like Christmas was like, like, a couple weeks ago, but yeah, I guess time flies when you're having fun, right? We have, uh, you know, I guess one thing in the news, I guess I wanted to talk about a little bit, just, just a little bit, I guess I. Chud the builder, Chud the builder, the name he goes by, Chud the builder.
00:10:06 You might know him as the mustached cowboy hat-wearing guy that would walk around saying nigger to niggers. Much has been made as far as is making it sound as if he would just run up to black people and go nigger, that's not wasn't what you know, at least not I'd never watched his streams, but at least from the clips that I've seen that wasn't the case, from what I understand he was actually quite cordial to black people generally, and then he would trigger them by, by asking them if they, they believed in free speech.
00:10:50 If they responded, they did, he would say, 'Oh, so you believe that white people can say nigger, in which case they would obviously instantly chimp out, and he would point out that they were chimping out, and sometimes try to assault them or assault him, and he would inevitably bear mace them, or something.
00:11:17 Right, again, never watch the streams. I'm just going by the clips that I saw, but it really doesn't matter to me if it escalated or it's more involved than that. The clips alone were worth their weight in gold, and let me explain why. Now, you might say to yourself, "That's bad optics. Well, you know what, I don't care about optics anymore at this point, if you still do, you're kind of a faggot. It's just, you know, it's time to stop caring about that.
00:11:47 Caring about optics is what got us in this situation the first place. Okay, if you want white people to develop a sense of racial consciousness and to forever, and, and if you know, basically, thoroughly shed white guilt, then you, you want a guy on the internet who is saying nigger in front of black people and showing what happens and not being afraid
00:12:19 to do so,
00:12:21 it's why I've never tried to talk shit about other content creators, I guess you could say that have taken it upon themselves to do similar shocking things, because quite frankly, white people need to be desensitized, they need to be desensitized. We've gotten to a point where it's ridiculous if you, if you, if you say the N word instead of just saying nigger, you're under a spell.
00:12:59 You're under a spell, and by the way, a fairly recently cast spell on this stream. We've covered several instances where on national news a reporter would just say nigger if they were talking about the word nigger, and it wasn't a big deal, because it's a word they're making a sound with their mouth. If their intention is not, you know, picking on some innocent black person, just going, 'you're a nigger, then it's okay to just say nigger, because it's just a word. And when we're all three or four years old, we learn that sticks and stones will break your bones, but words will never hurt you.
00:13:49 Now, somewhere along the line, after the 2000s somehow white people got it into their heads that you couldn't even say it, that you couldn't say it, and one of the reasons why you couldn't say it was you could argue was kind of a practical reason, and that was whilst the white people were simultaneously becoming afraid of saying nigger, black people were learning that if a white person did say nigger, that gave them license to kill, quite literally.
00:14:23 You could kill a white person justifiably if they said nigger.
00:14:29 Now, I think a lot of this is tied to the hate crime legislation that started to kick in around the late 90s, and then it escalated from there, but it was always kind of accepted, even far, far before the 2000s or the 90s, for that matter. Boomers were of the understanding that maybe, maybe getting killed for saying nigger was, was maybe that was crossing a line, but in several popular films.
00:15:00 It was a joke. It was a running theme. Several of these we've covered before. There was that movie with, oh, was it like Nick Nolte, or I forget who it was, where there's a scene where a white guy says nigger and the black guy turns around and beats him up.
00:15:17 It's like in the middle of a bank, and everyone's just like, well, you know, he deserves it. A more popular example, of course, is one of the Die Hard movies, where Bruce Willis says, or has that sign that says, 'I hate niggers, and goes to a black part of town, and Samuel Jackson has to save him before he's killed, and it's a funny joke. It's a funny joke. Boomers just accepted it. Well, of course, well, obviously he'd be murdered.
00:15:45 No one expects a if a black guy went to any white neighborhood in the United States wearing a placard that said I hate crackers, nothing would happen to him, nothing would happen to him, and so it's time we deprogram white people and let them understand that we're not afraid to just make sounds with our mouth, just say nigger, and it was good for the zeitgeist to have a guy who fearlessly walked up to crowds of black people and said, "Nigger, I don't care about anything else about this guy.
00:16:30 That contribution alone makes up for whatever other little stupid, you know, problems you have with him. Maybe he's not super based, maybe he's ironically not racist enough for you.
00:16:43 Maybe he's too Christian, maybe he's dumb, or cringe, or whatever. Whatever your problem is, I don't care. The fact of the matter is, he was contributing more to the creation and solidification of white solidarity, then well, I'd say 99.9% of white people absolutely just by doing what he was doing, and you could say it was a gimmick, and he was doing it for the streams and money, and maybe he, you know, he promoted some gay crypto scam, or I don't care.
00:17:21 I don't care. I honestly don't care. I don't care. His contribution to white solidarity and to white identity wasn't an important one. And anyone telling you otherwise is, quite frankly, an enemy of white people. Anyone telling you otherwise is an enemy of white people, and very possibly gay and Mexican, and a snitch.
00:17:50 So I guess he's getting charged with attempted murder, because that's another thing he's exposing unintentionally and at great cost, is that if you're a white person and you're attacked by a black guy, and you defend yourself with a gun, at least as far as the details I understand them, justifiably so, you get charged with attempted murder, whereas again, if you're a black person that kills someone that doesn't even say nigger, that's just minding their own business on a train, well, you're not, you know, you're not fit to stand trial, you don't have to face any consequences at all.
00:18:45 You're too low IQ to even understand the world around you, and so you get a freebie. You get a freebie murder. Another thing he's also highlighted was, you know, with his bail, I think his bail is set to what, like one point it's either 1.5 or 1.2 5 million, some absurd number like that, think it's 1.5 million, right, it's over a million dollars, doesn't matter, it's over a million dollars, the guy he shot in self defense, most likely, uh, allegedly allegedly, isn't even dead.
00:19:25 He didn't kill anyone, whereas the murderer, the nigger murderer of Austin Metcalf, his bail was set to $250,000 You just need to come up with 10% of that, they, they raised that using crowdsourced, you know, crowd source websites, and it was a Go Fi, for it was Go Fund Me, or who I think it was Go Fund Me, and then their parent, his parents bought an Escalade, and like a house or something, with the rest of the money.
00:20:02 The fact that there's not a single billionaire white guy out there that's just like, hey, I'll just, you know, you again, you know, you get the money back, by the way, as long as he doesn't run, which I mean, he's too famous to run, so all it would take would be one one rich white guy with 10% of his, of his bail, or maybe it's slightly more. Who knows? But it's not the full. You don't need the full thing.
00:20:30 And you, again, you get the money back as long as he shows up to court, which he would, obviously. It's very, it's very publicized. I don't know where he would hide. The fact there's not a single rich white guy willing to do that tells you a lot.
00:20:46 Tells you that we need a lot more Chud the builders out there yelling nigger until white people hear that and don't have a visceral response. There are people right now watching this right now that when I say nigger, right now, as I'm saying nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, you're getting, you have like a physical, you're feeling something, you're feeling something when I say that you're feeling like a negative, oh, I'm doing something naughty or something, I'm this is bad, this is it, it shouldn't feel bad or edgy, it's a word, it's a fucking word. So, anyway, I don't know.
00:21:31 I'm assuming there's hopefully there's some kind of crowd source effort to raise money to get him bail. I don't know what the status of that is.
00:21:43 I've been kind of out of the loop researching this stuff and doing some stuff around here, but hopefully that's, that's, I mean, I just think that there's probably not enough support, and there's not enough support because people want to argue about optics, or they have some kind of personal beef with him, or whatever the reason is, you know, they, you know, for some reason, when Shiloh says nigger, that's that's that's cool, we should give her a bunch of money, but when Chud the builder says nigger, then that's bad, because he's a streamer and makes, I don't know, I don't know what the whatever, whatever excuse you've come up with, but no, we need more people like that.
00:22:26 That's just that's just the beginning of the end of it, right there. If you ever want to stop being second-class citizens in your own country, then you need to support people like that blindly, and yes, blindly, that's what your opposition does. You think your opposition sits there and goes, 'Wow, you know, they're not 100% a leftist the way that I'm a leftist.
00:22:52 You know, this black guy, he doesn't listen to the same rap music that I.. he listens to the West Coast and I listen to East Coast, so I can't, you know, support. I mean, you guys are faggots that do this. You guys are faggots, and you're not serious about white identity, and you're not serious about fighting white replacement.
00:23:12 You're not serious about ending the attacks on white people if you're not willing to do something as simple as blindly, blindly support a guy whose biggest crime was saying nigger, and then shooting a nigger that was trying to attack him, because guess what, folks, that's also something that needs to get normalized. I don't mean going around just shooting every black person you see, obviously, but it should be normalized.
00:23:42 Niggers should know if they attack a white person, they're going to get shot. You'll have, you want to know what, what has what prevented black people from.. I mean, they've always committed way more crime. I mean, it doesn't matter how far back you go.
00:24:02 They've always committed way more crime, like from the moment they were, they were freed as slaves, and I don't know, maybe if you had, I don't know how we could accurately find out how much crime they were committing as slaves, but maybe even then. But they've always committed more crime, but the reason why they do it so much more brazenly these days. Is there's no consequence.
00:24:26 They don't fear, there's no fear of being lynched. There's no fear of any kind of riots. They don't think a bunch of white people are going to go to their neighborhood and burn it down. I mean, fuck, they don't even fear Chud getting out of prison on bail, because there's that little support for white people from white people, there's that little solid.
00:25:00 Narrative for white people from white people, and we just need to turn that around, so I again, whatever, I don't know enough about this guy to know every little, you know, drama thing about him, or why people hate him, or whatever. I don't fucking care.
00:25:25 It was, it was a net positive, a net positive having viral clips on multiple social media platforms of a white guy saying nigger without cowering in fear in front of violent black people having their reactions on video and have everyone see exactly how these niggers react to that word and set an example for not not being this this weak apologetic white person that is is is forever saddled with so much white guilt that a word a word makes them feel some kind of generational genetic shame.
00:26:31 Hearing, hearing the word nigger should sound like it should be literally is the same thing as hearing the word, you know, lunch box, like it should have, it should have the same. You should have the same emotional, physical reaction to those two words. Although lunch box might make you hungry if you're a fat, I don't know. So that's just the way that it is. So I just think it's important to say that, especially because there are people you know, and I guess that's a way you can tell, you know, who actually gets it.
00:27:07 People counter signaling this, they obviously don't get it. People counter counter signaling this, they obviously don't care about white people. That's the way that it is. They have motives that don't include the solidarity of the white race, that's not the future they want for one reason or another.
00:27:34 So now you know, now you know, mask off for a lot of people, I mean, for some people that that are doing this, the mask was has been long off, but there you go anyway. Uh, tonight we're going to talk about a man by the name, the guy on the screen here, Frank Abagnale, and I know what you're thinking. Who's this Jew? Well, actually not Jewish. He looks very Jewish. He's Italian. A lot of Italians look very Jewish.
00:28:15 That's just the way that it is. So, yes, he looks very Jewish, and I'll tell you, it's not just his looks that are Jewish, his behavior is also very Jewish, but he's Italian, French, his mother was French, I believe, his father was Italian, went to Catholic school, went to Catholic school in New York, I believe, but you might have already heard of this guy, even if he doesn't look familiar in the flesh here, because they've, they've done movies about him, written books about him. I
00:28:51 think there's even, like, there was, like, a Broadway musical, maybe still is, about him. This guy has been celebrated in American culture for at least the last, well, at least the last 25 years, especially after Spielberg's movie Catch Me If You Can. Now this is the trailer for Catch Me You Can.
00:29:15 Many of you guys are probably familiar with this movie starring Leonardo DiCaprio,
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00:31:07 we got the based on true story there. Anyway, you got you guys know the movie. Long story short, if you haven't seen it, no, there's this kid, he's just a kid too. He's like this prodigy, this child prodigy, just dresses up. up like a pilot, and he goes, he flies over 3 million miles, taking 300 flights. He poses as a doctor for a while.
00:31:35 Again, he's this is always he's under 18, he's just this child prodigy. He looks kind of older than he is. He cashes $2.5 million $2.5 million in in fake checks, and in the Jew, Steven Spielberg somehow turned this guy into a hero when you think about it, it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird that they were able to feature a guy who was a con artist who was hurting people and exploiting the high trust society and paint him as a hero that if you thought about it, actually he had aura, right? Actually, he had aura.
00:32:30 If you really think about it, it's actually pretty based that he was going around and lying to people and stealing millions of dollars, and dressing up as a, as a pilot, and as a doctor, kind of weird, kind of weird, the way that they were able to promote this idea, and look, it was based, as that thing said, it was based on a true story, right, based on a true story, I Well, let's take a look at how true was this story, exactly.
00:33:06 How true was this story? Now, the real Frank Abagnale.. I don't know if that's really.. I feel like it would be pronounced Abagnali or something like that, but it's. it's spelled Abagnale, we'll just call him Frank to avoid the awkward last name, Frank. Here he has actually been on tour since the 1980s It's prior to the film coming out, he was actually a sought-after expert in fraud, because he would tell people, you know, the same, the same kind of story.
00:33:47 When he was 16, his parents divorced, and he ran away, and from age 16 started impersonating a pilot, and flew all over the world and ended up embroiled in some high stakes FBI cat and mouse game in the movie, right? It's what's his face, Tom Hanks. Where is he? Tom Hanks is the FBI agent trying to get him anyway. This movie had a lot of big names in this. Here we had, we had a Meryl Streep, I think, was in it too, right there.
00:34:29 We go, and we got Leonardo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks, Christopher Walken, Martin Sheen, Natalie Bay, based upon the book by Frank Abagnale with Stan Redding, there we go, lots of people, lots of big names, lots of money, but no, he did have a book, he had a biography came out, he used to.
00:35:00 You speaking engagements, and in fact, he would charge $20,000 or more to come to your organization and tell his story, really beginning in the 1980s and he would, in addition to the speaking engagements later in life, become a consultant, and we'll get into some of those, those things here in a moment, but everyone was told that, oh, this is a real deal.
00:35:37 After the movie came out, he did the interview circuit, he was featured on a lot of TV shows. He was featured on shows like 60 minutes, where he would go through and tell about how well, you know, maybe the movie took a little creative license, but it's basically true, right? The basic idea behind it is true. Here he is speaking to a group for his $20,000 fee, giving his life story.
00:36:11 Normally, when I walk through the podium, it is always to speak about fraud, cyber crime, identity theft, embezzlement, financial crimes, but occasionally I get an event where they asked me to talk about my life, and Steve has asked me to do that today, and of course I've had a lot of people tell my story. I had a great writer write a book about my life, had a great film director make a movie about my life, had a great Broadway musical team make a Tony Award-winning Broadway musical about my life, had a popular television show on TV for four years, white collar created around my life.
00:36:45 So, as you can see, he's got TV shows, Broadway musical, Spielberg movie.
00:36:52 He is quite literally a millionaire now. And you might think to yourself, well, how does that happen? How do you go from a guy who is committing all this fraud all around the country, gets involved in this big cat and mouse game with the FBI, where they're chasing him all over the, you know, Interpol is trying to find him, right? He's in Europe on the run, and he's this expert, he's got, you know, eight eight different identities, you know, it's so hard to find because he's a master forger, he's got all these fake identities, he's like a, he's like a James Bond kind of character.
00:37:37 Another thing that people kind of sold people on the idea of seeing him as a hero wasn't just because, wow, you know, he's he's going against the system, but he would also tell people, you know, I never, I never stole from, like, mom and pops, I would only still steal from the big banks, I would steal from the big banks that I figure they could lose, they could lose a little bit of money.
00:38:05 I would steal from these major, you know, these multi billion dollar corporations. So, if I stole, if I wrote a check for 1000 bucks here and there, who cares? It's not a big deal. It's not like I'm stealing from some small company or a private party. You would often say that Johnny Carson had him on the show.
00:38:27 I believe this was the 1970s and again, this is this is well before Catch Me If You Can, and people thought it was amazing, his story. They thought this was great. This is something to celebrate.
00:38:42 I have not met my next guest. I'm looking forward to talking with him. His name is Frank Abagnale, and he had a short but illustrious career as a con man. Some of the things he did, he impersonated a co-pilot from major airline, he faked it as a lawyer on the state attorney general staff, passed as a pediatrician in a Georgia hospital, was a phony college professor, and cashed 17,000 bad checks, amounting to two and a half million dollars, and he did spend - he did spend some time. That sounds like executive material for NBC. Would you welcome, please, Frank Abagnale?
00:39:32 Frank, so added to his rap sheet, there he was a college professor. Yeah, he was a pediatrician, he worked for a D, he worked in a DA's office, he claimed he worked in a DA's office under the Attorney General, handled cases, handled medical cases when he didn't have any kind of of medical.
00:40:00 Full treatment at all. He impersonated lawyers. He claimed he passed the Louisiana bar exam without attending law school, because he's this boy genius, right? Claimed that he was a sociology professor at BYU, when he was only like 17, said he worked as a Senate Judiciary Committee consultant, said he was a university professor beyond BYU, said he was a sheriff's deputy at the LAPD. Said he worked at Scotland Yard for a while.
00:40:58 He claimed that he worked as a Logan Airport security guard and stole the deposit drop box, making off with 1000s of dollars. He also claimed that once he was caught, he by the French authorities, and they have that in the movie. In fact, in the movie, the real Frank Abagnale plays one of the French police arresting Leonardo DiCaprio.
00:41:38 He claims when this happened, he was placed in a cell that was only five feet by five feet by five feet, and as he likes to say, because he says the exact, I've watched like a few of his speeches, and he says they're almost word for word, even when they're like 10 to 15 years apart, so he, he must have memorized his, his spiel a long time ago, and then just repeats it. He's like, I'm it's five, it was five by five by five, and I'm six feet tall, and it was hell I was there.
00:42:15 Said he was on the FBI most wanted list as a teenager, I said that he was the subject of a sustained multi year multi country FBI manhunt, you know, the character in the movie that Tom Hanks plays was chasing him all over the world, he claimed that the King of Sweden personally intervened with his case and pardoned him when he was arrested in Sweden.
00:42:57 He then claimed that as when he went, when he went clean in 1974 that he was recruited by the FBI, and that's implied in the movie too. Or I think, actually, if I remember correctly, it might just say that he was, that he was hired by the FBI to try to stop people like him, he said that he won FBI commendations and awards for his work after going clean in 1974 and running a business that would help banks again stop people like him.
00:43:58 Well, what really happened? What really happened? Well, let's, let's hear, let's, how he, let's hear how he describes how he began his life of crime. Here,
00:44:13 you did all these things out of, for what reason?
00:44:16 Well, basically, I, at the age of 16, coming from little town in upstate New York. My parents separated when I was 16, and kind of emotionally bothered me, and I couldn't get my parents back together again.
00:44:29 So I ran away from home and found myself in New York City without a job with no money, and as I went in and looked for employment, people would say, How old are you? I'd tell them I was 16 and wanted to pay me $1 and a quarter, dollar 50, and I realized I couldn't support myself in New York on that amount of money.
00:44:46 So I decided to advance my age. I always looked a little older, so I started saying I was 26 years old. People started paying me a little more money, but not enough to support myself. So I got into the habit of starting to write. Got personal checks without having any money in the bank, and the more I did that, the more confidence I built up that I could do it, and found that people easily accepted my checks.
00:45:11 Most people don't realize how gullible the average store keeper
00:45:18 is, or how gullible the average talk show host is because this is all bullshit.
00:45:26 What really happened was Abing now was born in 1948 He was born to, again, like I said, a, a, I believe an Italian man and a French woman in the Bronx, and his parents did divorce when he was 15 years old, but the story he tells again, that he's been telling this fucking story forever, is that the judge had him come in. This was, this was the beginning.
00:46:03 This is the origin story. It's like the origin story of, like, some kind of villain, right? This was the, this was the catalyst that this is what excused all of my bad behavior afterwards. Is I had this traumatic experience. I had this traumatic experience where I was this only child in my whole world was coming apart, and I was the super smart kid, and I just.. I ran away, and I had to survive.
00:46:29 But eventually, the judge saw me at the back of the room, and he motioned me to approach the bench. So I walked up to stand in between my parents. I remembered distinctly that the judge never looked at me, he never acknowledged I was standing there.
00:46:41 He just read from his papers and said that my parents were getting a divorce, and because I was 16 years of age, I would need to tell the court which parent I chose to live with. I started to cry, so I turned and ran out of the courtroom. The judge called for a 10 minute recess, but by the time my parents got outside, I was gone.
00:47:00 My mother never saw me again for about seven years until I was a young adult, contrary to the movie, and my father never saw me or ever spoke to me again.
00:47:10 All bullshit again. You can find a million different versions of this story. Sometimes some of the details change. What actually happened was after his parents got divorced, he not only did he see his dad again, he moved in with his dad and his stepmother.
00:47:31 He wasn't an only child, he was one of four children, so he moved in with his dad and stepmother to Mount Vernon, and started going to, I think, Catholic school at that point around 1963 So, when he's about 16, the same time that he says that he ran out of the courtroom, and then just started living on his own in New York, you know, cashing these fake checks.
00:48:06 Well, he did start committing fraud. What he did was he stole one of his dad's gasoline credit cards and worked out a deal with one of the guys that worked at the gas station to buy to rack up a bunch of fraudulent charges for like tires and all kinds of stuff, and then the guy would pay him cash for what they were buying on the on the card, and he racked up the bill to about $3,400 When this happened, it enraged his, his father, obviously, and he..
00:48:46 this is back when I don't think you can do this now, but this was in 1964 He then, by this time, was 16 years old, and he enlisted in the Navy, something that never comes up in any version of his, of his past that he talks about in his autobiography, or in movies, or anything like that.
00:49:10 He was then discharged only three months in, so he was kicked out of the Navy only three months in to his, his navy career at age 16, less than two weeks, less than two weeks after being kicked out of the navy, he was arrested for petty larceny in Mount Vernon, where his, where his dad lived, so he was back with his dad committing petty larceny.
00:49:49 He then, that was in February, in March of the same year, and this will be a reoccurring theme. Remember, he's 16 years old, he. There's a dark side to why he impersonated people that doesn't get mentioned in the movie at all.
00:50:07 They make it look all fun. They make it, for example, when they talk about the, he makes a, he does a stewardess class, you know, he goes to some school and says, hey, who wants to be a stewardess, and he lies to all these girls, and they surround him, and he's surrounded by beautiful women dressed as stewardess, who think that he's getting them a job, but really it's all part of some scam he's doing, right.
00:50:30 Well, like I said, there's a dark side to that. We'll get into that in a minute. Give you maybe a little look into what that might be. He was arrested in February, less than, less than you know, like less than a month after being arrested for petty larceny for posing as a police officer.
00:50:55 He followed a girl home to her apartment and dressed as a cop with a bad cop uniform, he's 16 years old with a toy gun and a paper badge, he entered the apartment of this young girl and told her mother he was there to investigate her, her daughter, the woman called the actual police, and the actual police came and arrested him. He was then committed to Grasslands Psychiatric Institute for observation.
00:51:42 He must not have been there for very long, because in June, again, this is, he's still 16, this is when he's supposed to be. He ran out, he ran out of his parents' divorce court, and then started, you know, flying airplanes and stuff. He's the FBI arrested him in Eureka, California, for stealing a Ford Mustang from the neighbor of his father, he had stolen his neighbor, the dad's neighbor car, and drove to California in a stolen car.
00:52:12 He financed the trip from New York to California using fake checks, or not fake checks, but his dad's checks, so he was cashing his dad's checks again. I thought he $2.5 million No, no, these were just petty, petty larceny, writing checks for 20 bucks here, 40 bucks there, you know, just regular check fraud that a 16 year old would be able to do, I Oh, at 17, this is where it gets weird again. It gets a little dark.
00:52:49 This is still 1965 He shows up at a family-run motel in California, posing as a doctor. He tells the owners of the hotel that he's a doctor, and that when their boy gets sick, he performs a fake physical on the seven year old boy. There's a theme for tonight, and then after he performed the fake physical, he said he needs an aspirin, and then left town writing a check, a bad check for the hotel room.
00:53:36 Also, in 1965 he was arrested for check theft in New York after returning from California, and at this point he was sentenced to three years at Great Meadow Correctional Facility in Comstock.
00:53:55 Now you might be thinking to yourself, well, that's weird, because if he was six or 17, he gets arrested and sentenced to three years, that would mean that he would be out when he was 20, and so the entire timeline of all of his lies about being a doctor when he's 17, about being a professor, about being an airline pilot about basically everything that he said that he did when he was this prodigy genius kid wouldn't make any sense because he would be in jail the entire time that he said he was doing all these things, right. Well I'll tell you what.
00:54:43 To give him some credit, he was released after only two years into his mother's custody. Now, remember, he said that, oh, he didn't see his mom for years and years and years after that. No, he was in touch with his mom the whole time and released into her custody in 1967 but he.
00:55:00 He violated the parole and went right back to jail, like literally, like a month later, and was kept in jail until December, until Christmas Eve, 1968 So now the whole timeline doesn't make any sense, all the entire time that he was supposed to be committing all these crazy crimes, he's actually in jail, but maybe he just got, you know, maybe he just, you know, embellished the age a little bit, right? Maybe he just kind of was funny with the age, and he didn't want to talk about, he went to jail, and all this other stuff. Here's a clip of him here after the movie came out.
00:55:45 You're one of the greatest con men of all time. You're the daddy of them all.
00:55:49 What does it take to be a good con man?
00:55:52 You know, I have to smile because people always say you're the greatest con man or the greatest confidence man.
00:55:57 You know, I was a 16 year old boy who ran away from home and ended up on the streets of New York City, and said, "Okay, how am I going to survive now? And I first realized that I can't survive as a 16 year old, I have to have people believe I'm an adult.
00:56:10 So, you know, the first thing I did was alter my driver's license to make myself 10 years older, and started out with me more as survival.
00:56:18 How am I going to survive? So I started writing checks, and I found it very easy to go in and cash checks - two and a half million dollars with a check, two and a half million dollars, but everything had a purpose. So, you know, I walked down the street, I saw an airline crew come out of a hotel, and at first I thought to myself, if I could get one of these uniforms when I walk in a bank, they'll be much more apt to cash my check as this pilot.
00:56:40 And then I got the uniform, and I walked up to a ticket counter one day, and the girl said to me, "Are you flying, or are you paying, or riding? And I said, "What do you mean, are you riding the jump seat? Are you going to buy the ticket? I said, "No, I'll ride the jump seat. And then I realized I could fly all over the world for free, and then I could stay in the hotels as a crew member, so everything was just a step up for me. I saw I was more of an opportunist who saw things and then took advantage of them.
00:57:05 You know, it goes from survival, then people were chasing you, so then you're starting to say, How do I stay ahead of these people that are chasing me and outsmarting them until it gets to where you know you just get tired of doing it and tired of running it. And I think in my case it was more about maturity. I started getting older, and so consequently I've started realizing this is not the way I want to live my life. My conscience started to bother me.
00:57:27 You can't have a conscience and be a con man as well. Can't have a conscience and be a con man.
00:57:33 No, you can't.
00:57:34 And this whole excuse that you have that you were young is bullshit, as is the airline stuff. But we'll get in a second. So, what really happened was, yes, he did get an airline pilot uniform at some point. He didn't fly all over the world, he didn't fly 3 million miles, he didn't fly on 300 flights, he actually flew on three flights, three, he just three, and he did it, so he could stalk a stewardess that he liked, so right out of prison he saw a stewardess that he liked, named Paula, Paula, where's the name here? Paula, Paula, Paula, Paula, Paula, Paula, Paula, that doesn't matter.
00:58:34 Steward is named Paula. I got it somewhere in this on these notes, so he finds a stewardess named Paula that won't. He tries to date her, she won't date him. He then impersonates her boss, she worked for Delta Airlines. He calls up Delta Airlines, impersonating her manager, and asks to get her flight schedule.
00:58:59 They give him the flight schedule. He then dresses up as a pilot, and then flies to wherever she's flying to, so that when she's on the ground, you know, because they, they just stay in the towns until their next job, right? Until then, fly to the next place.
00:59:16 He would then pretend to bump into her, dressed as a pilot, to try to impress her and ask her out, and she kept turning him down. He would routinely go to cemeteries and steal the flowers off of graves to give to her.
00:59:38 She was creeped out by the whole situation, however however, he finally struck gold when she flew home to New Orleans, and he somehow acquired - there's some question as to if he stole it or not - he somehow acquired a fancy car and bumped into her in the parking lot. And offered to give her a ride home.
01:00:04 She finally relented, big mistake, and told him on the way home that, look, this isn't going to go anywhere. I'm just letting you give me a ride home, you know. This isn't, you know, I don't want to date you. You kind of creep me out when they finally get back to her house. He puts on the charm. I mean, look, he was a con man, not the world's greatest con man, and not the way that he.. well, maybe I guess if his entire story is fake and most of the world believes that, I guess maybe you could say he was.
01:00:37 But he met the parents and convinces them that he's a pilot, and not only is he a pilot, he has a degree from Cornell, like Andy from the office. He went to Cornell, and he's in fact, he's got a Cornell, he's got a degree in social work, he likes working with kids, so here he is, this this prime specimen, and he's interested in their daughter. Well, she's not interested in him, and she flies out of town for her next gig.
01:01:12 While out of town, somehow he goes to the parents' house and convinces them to let him live there in her room again. High trust society, high trust society. This is what happens, apparently. So he's living in her bedroom, and he's taking them out to expensive dinners, he's buying them expensive gifts, because he's being rejected by Paula.
01:01:45 He starts dating Paula's cousin, and because he's obsessed with being around underage people, he goes to her brother's school on career day to speak as a pilot to the kids, this is something he does over and over and over again in the future, so he's keeping the hem of the family happy by buying all these dinners and buying them gifts, but the way he's paying for these dinners and these gifts is he's stealing checks from the family that's letting him live in their daughter's bedroom, so they're paying for their own dinners and their own gifts.
01:02:32 He made four withdrawals from their savings account, stealing about $1,200 but this is, you know, this is like 19 668 69 money, so that's like a lot more money back then. The parents are so fond of this guy that they introduce him to Reverend Underwood, their local Reverend, because you know he wants to get a job working with kids, and he's got that degree from Cornell, and this is before the internet. This is before you could easily check things, before background checks, and all this sort of thing.
01:03:13 Again, high trust, all the sorts of things that you don't need when people aren't just lying about everything about them. So the Reverend believes everything that he's saying and takes him to LSU because he's got connections at LSU to work or to get a job working with children, but the people at LSU become suspicious when he doesn't seem to know shit about social work, especially for someone who's supposedly a Cornell graduate.
01:03:46 He also seems a little bit too young, so they call up Cornell to get his transcripts and find out that Cornell's never heard of him. Reverend Underwood then calls up TWA, finds out that they actually know who he is. He's not a pilot, but they know who he is. So, this guy that in the movie is like this - no one suspects he's flying all around the world dressed as a pilot. No, they actually know who he is, because he's been creeping on stewardesses.
01:04:17 They say, yeah, that's the guy that, like, harasses our stewardesses and, like, follows them around like a weirdo creep. So they then call the police. There is, there is no long FBI manhunt. And on February 14, 1969 he's arrested by the Baton Rouge police, they find out about the, oh, her last name was Parks, it was Paula Parks. They find out about the fraud, they find out that he was stealing money from their bank account, they find out he was writing the bad checks.
01:04:58 Once he's in jail again, this. Is again, maybe he is the greatest comment of all time. Because once he's in jail, he uses his phone call to call the Parks family that he just fucked over. He convinces them because he's facing 12 years of hard labor back when we did that. Why we need to bring that shit back.
01:05:23 He convinces them to get the Reverend Underwood, the same guy that was, that was trying to get him a job at LSU, only to find out that he made up his entire backstory. He gets them to plead with the Reverend and say, you know, he's, he's got something wrong with him. He's a good kid, but he's like, he's got something pathologically wrong with him, and in ruining his life by giving him 12 years of hard labor, that's just..
01:05:54 that's going to just, you know, it's going to create a criminal. It's not going to reform a criminal. So, Reverend Underwood said, you know, what, you're right, you're right.
01:06:05 I'm gonna, I'm gonna tap into my, my Christian values as a, as a Reverend, and think about turning the other cheek and forgiveness and all this fun stuff, and I'm gonna go to the judge and tell him that instead of 12 years of hard labor, he should just go to psychiatric treatment, and so the judge agrees. The judge agrees that he should get psychiatric, or psychiatric, or can't even say it now, psychiatric psych treatment, I and supervised probation, and this is the same time period, by the way.
01:06:52 He claimed that he had passed the Louisiana bar exam. He worked for the Attorney General. He closed 33 cases,
01:07:02 he Is
01:07:04 by the way, the Louisiana State Bar Association confirmed he never took the exam, not even not only under that name or under any other alias.
01:07:13 The Attorney General's office found no payroll records of him ever existing. The assistant to the Attorney General told the newspapers in 1981 by the way, so that people have known this guy's a fraud well before they made that movie, that the man was an imposter and he was a liar, and that he was never, he never worked at the office.
01:07:35 Well, instead of going to the treatment and going to psychiatric care and having the probation, he decides to flee to Europe, right? He decides to flee to Europe. So, that was sort of in the movie, of course. There's a lot of other, you know, the whole.. he was a doctor, he was a lawyer, all that stuff's missing. Here's our clip of the interview,
01:07:58 singing the brazen, audacious acts. I mean, where does somebody find the inner confidence to do that?
01:08:04 And I truly believe, looking back on it now, that I truly believe I was able to accomplish all those things because I was just a teenage boy. I had no really conscience. I had really no fear of being caught. I really didn't care about consequences.
01:08:20 I was just a kid, I always believed had I been a little older, say I started doing that at 21 to 26 I wouldn't have done half the things, because I would have rationalized and said you'll never get away with that, no one will believe you're a doctor or you're a pilot, or I would have probably never done it, but because I was a kid, I had this kid's imagination that I can do anything, I can get away with anything, or at least I'm willing to try it, and had no fear of consequences.
01:08:46 So, in my case, it wasn't that I was brilliant, or that I was a genius. I think it was more about the fact that I was very young,
01:08:53 except for you weren't at this point.
01:08:56 You're like 21 years old, exactly the age that you said you would have grown a conscience and figured out that you were doing things wrong, so he flees to Europe, and wearing a pilot's uniform again, he convinces someone to rent him a car, because the guy renting the car thinks, oh, well, it's, you know, pilot wouldn't, when steal a car, he then within like, like literally within days of ending up in Europe, he goes to Sweden and manages to speak to the kids there as sort of an impromptu career day to interact with children, I guess, once again dressed as a pilot, he's only on the run, by the way, in Europe for like a few weeks, for like a few weeks, he gets arrested in France.
01:10:00 Uh, or no, he, so he borrowed, he borrowed, he borrowed the car in Sweden, did the career day thing, went to France in the stolen car, it's now a stolen car, they catch him in like two weeks, they arrest him again, it's still 1969 he gets sentenced to four months in jail, it's not a five by five by five, you know, concrete box, like he's talking about it, was a normal prison that everyone goes to, that wasn't, you know, there was not, it wasn't like some medieval torture chamber or something like that.
01:10:32 After he serves four months, he's extradited to Sweden, the Swedish king does not intervene, and or anything like that. He's immediately convicted of fraud, serves two months in Malmo prison, and is banned from Sweden for eight years and deported back to the United States by 1970 That's, that's, that's it. Now, now that he's in the United States in 1970 this is where another part of the movie kicks in.
01:11:13 Yes, I also use various occupations, for example, the airline pilot with Pan American.
01:11:19 Did you basically fly on a plane.
01:11:21 Well, I would fly up in the cockpit, so that I could fly for free, and I had a uniform when I.. how I got this idea.
01:11:29 How did you cont was it Pan Am, right? How did you con them into that? You
01:11:33 well, how I got this idea. It was time for me to leave New York, since the police were looking for me, not only as a bad checks, and I happened to be walking up 42nd street, and I saw this airline crew come out of a hotel, and I thought that would be the perfect front for me to be able to travel around the country posing as a pilot. Not only could I fly for free, but I would also be able to stay at hotels for free, because
01:11:59 they don't have free airlines.
01:12:01 Yeah, all made up, all made up, but what he did do,
01:12:08 one of the girls came over,
01:12:10 he did do the scene in the movie where he goes to the university, or I guess it's a girls school, I don't know, in the movie, I don't know what the age is supposed to be in real life.
01:12:23 He went to, I think, it was Arizona State, it was either ASU or U of A, and set up a table dressed as a pilot, and claimed that he was a pilot there looking for stewardesses.
01:12:41 He then also claimed to these girls that he was a physician, and that if they made the first round cut that he was deciding on, so basically these girls lined up, and he made a list of like the top 20 that he liked, that he was a physician that now had to perform a physical, so he would take them in a room and perform a physical on these 20 women, and this is a story, by the way, I mean, at least from his point of view, that he tells like it's a big joke, I told you, boomers are kind of rapey, boomers are kind of rapey, so he's basically saying, yeah, I might get you this job, and then he makes them undress, and he diddles them.
01:13:27 One of the girls came over, always gave them a thorough examination, sent him on their way. I was young, but not stupid.
01:13:37 Ah, always gave him a thorough examination. I was young, but I wasn't stupid. Hey, hey, hey. Now, after he did this, it literally only took like a week before they found out that he was, that he was not really a pilot. He also, in 1970 after he went to the college campus, and was he was also passing some of his bad checks again, not $2.3 million worth at the university. Oh, I guess it is U of A at University of Arizona.
01:14:26 He then tried to cash a personal check in North Carolina, and that that activated the FBI because it was an obviously bad check. They picked up on it immediately, and they issued a warrant for him. This is all 1970 It's not like some big man hunt. They issued a warrant, in fact, on october 27 1970 It was only 1010, fake checks total.
01:14:54 The entire amount, it wasn't, again, like $2.5 million or whatever it was. $1,448.60 and what's more, this master of deception used his real name on all of the checks. He didn't have eight different identities. He used his real name to cash the checks. That's how they found him, and in fact, they found him.
01:15:21 They told you the warrant was on October 27 They arrested him by November 2, so they arrested him like a week later in Cobb County, Georgia, after he was trying to cash these checks in different states, and this has been verified by the FBI agents that actually worked on the case. He then says in his autobiography, and also I think in the movie they might cover this. He says that he escaped from federal prison three times.
01:16:01 Well, he didn't really escape from federal prison ever. He escaped from the Cobb County Jail by walking out, because it was just a county jail where they didn't have a lot of security, and he was captured four days later. After he was captured four days later, and also in November, this is all like he basically got lost in the shuffle right after they arrested him. That's how he quote unquote escaped.
01:16:31 He was then sentenced to 10 years for forging checks for the $1,400 worth in checks, plus an additional two years for the jail escape, and he was supposed to serve his sentence in federal prison in Petersburg, Virginia. Now, in his autobiography, for whatever he lies, even about that, he says he was in the Atlanta Atlanta penitentiary, but he, he never was there. They only kept him in jail for two years.
01:17:08 He was released on federal parole in 1974 So, if you're waiting for, like, oh, okay, well, then maybe that's when he started doing like this crazy life of crime, no, no, not really. By this time, he's basically, I think, he's 30 years old. He's 30 years old, and he goes to a kids camp. Why does he keep going around kids? I wonder.
01:17:43 He keeps wanting to be around children and young girls, so when he's 30 years old, he goes to Camp Madison, which is like a summer camp for, for like, like high school age kids, kind of. He claims he is a furloughed Delta airline pilot, and again, because it's 1974 they don't have the internet, they can't easily check out his background, he's in a uniform, they, they like, all right, well, the only job we have is as a bus driver, weirdly, he wants the job.
01:18:22 This furloughed airline pilot wants a, a minimum wage bus driver job at a kids camp. Once at the kids camp, allegedly he tries to make out with the young girls. He tries plying them with beer. He tries to be the cool adult by buying them beer. He tells them he's not actually a bus driver, but he's a secret consultant.
01:18:53 One of the camp counselors, named Jan Jackson, calls up her dad, who actually was a pilot at Delta, and says we've got this weird, creepy guy named Frank, who says that he's a furloughed Delta airline pilot, and he's kind of like buying beer for the kids and trying to get with young girls, and her dad says, well, Delta hasn't furloughed any pilots, and he asked around, and no one had ever heard of this guy, so she goes and tells the camp that this guy is, is not really a pilot, he's made up his whole backstory.
01:19:43 Well, it doesn't matter, because they, at that time, were busy arresting him, because he broke into everyone's cars and was stealing shit out of their cars.
01:19:54 This big master criminal stealing shit out of people's cars. So they arrest him, and he tries to leave the United States using this ID that says that he's a Delta airline pilot.
01:20:19 Well, he's a, he's a master of disguise, right? He's this master fraudster. Well, no, it was so bad that the customs picked up on it immediately when he was trying to leave the country. Knew that he was not an airline pilot, not that that would matter, because you need your passport anyway. And the ID, where did he get it from? One of the kids at the summer camp made the ID for him for some beer.
01:20:50 Now, you would think at this point they would really throw the book at him, they'd be like, this guy's a piece of shit.
01:20:57 In fact, I, at this point, would be, I'd be down with the death penalty for this, this fucking fuck, it's like, why do we fucking need this guy? But no, they said that all he had to do was pay restitution of $125 back to the camp, and then he had to check in with a parole officer, so this parole officer is also a high trust idiot.
01:21:30 One day Frank calls up the parole officer and tells him that he got a job at a children's home once again, right? He's trying to be around kids, he he got a job as the recreational director at this children's home.
01:21:48 The only problem is his parole officer at the time, Jim Blackman, actually used to work at the children's home that he was talking about, and knew that they wouldn't hire people unless they had at least a master's degree, and he knew that Frank didn't even have a high school education, so he drove down to the children's home, entered his office, and saw on the wall that he had a fake diploma, that he had fake photos of him as an airline pilot, that his office was basically plastered with this fake back story.
01:22:30 Now, you would think, well, his job at this point as the parole officer would be to put him back in jail. No, it's not what happened at all. In fact, Frank convinced his parole officer that actually he should just have to resign.
01:22:52 He should just have to resign, and, oh, and by the way, you know it would be really good, and it would really help with his rehabilitation if his parole officer, Jim Blackman, would let him live at his house, which he did, so Jim Blackman and his wife decided that the best way to help him be real rehabilitated from all this pathological lying that he was doing was if they could keep a close eye on him, so they let him live in the mother-in-law's quarters behind their house, instead of going to prison.
01:23:37 He then got a job at Aetna, the insurance company was immediately fired and sued for check fraud, and by 1975 that's when he decided for his new scam, his new scam that would, that would define his career.
01:24:01 When I did all the things I did. One of the things that I realized very quickly later on is that all the people I met that I really never did anything to, in fact, I took them places, I spent money on them, I bought them lots of things, they were the people most upset with me, because those people felt deceived that I thought you were my friend, and yet you weren't who you say you would. You didn't trust me enough to tell me who you really were. So it's kind of like the people who say, you know, the guys got into my house, but they didn't steal anything, but they went through all my belongings. That bothers them more than if they had stolen something, and I had to come and realize that with maturity, that that's very devastating to people.
01:24:42 Yeah, that's all a lie. You mean, like, the guy, the people who you lived in their home gave him gifts, but they were the ones paying for it. Yeah, the whole thing's a lie. But in 1975 you know, he learned all this, right? He learned all these lessons that you don't deceive people, you don't lie anymore.
01:24:58 And instead, he started cold. Calling banks, he started cold calling banks in 1975 claiming that he was this master forger, that he had a f, you know, this is when his story started to be written.
01:25:15 He started making up this huge long backstory about how he was, he had tricked the airlines for years, the FBI had chased him all around the world, and that he was this master criminal, and that he would offer a service where he would go in and lecture his staff, the staff of the bank, on how to spot check forgery and what to look for, and this is where he, this is what became of his new career. So, by 1976 he finally got a bank to agree to do this, and this is when he started the Abing Nail and Associates in Houston, Texas.
01:25:56 And his resume was all made up. This is where the story that you start to hear on Johnny Carson comes from this is where the story that's in Catch Me If You Can comes from this is where the story that he told you know all these stories they told were invented and that once and again this is 1976 is when he creates this business. He then, in 1977 gets on a show called To Tell the Truth. Ironically enough, To Tell the Truth.
01:26:39 Let's see if I got that. Almost positive, I downloaded that. Let's see where it went. Let's play. Oh, that was the problem with it. Didn't want to load. Let me see if it'll load. If it won't load, I'll convert it while we're talking here on something else. Then we'll know it doesn't want to load. All right, I'll start converting.
01:27:15 So it'll load shortly after his appearance on To Tell the Truth was when he was on Johnny Carson's show making up all this bullshit
01:27:32 for the last four years. I have a firm in Houston, and I do consulting work for large corporate banks and department stores on how not to get ripped
01:27:43 off, in other words, use preventive measures, and so
01:27:45 forth.
01:27:46 Yeah, because I've had Ray Johnson on the show a couple of times, who served many years in prison, and does that kind of work now, you know, helps people get their security, and so forth. So, you're not recommending this kind of..
01:27:56 no, I definitely
01:27:57 would. Don't you pass yourself off as a pediatrician? Now that's kind of tricky, because I mean, that's technical.
01:28:03 Well, as the pediatrician, probably
01:28:06 the kernel of truth of the pediatrician thing was when he lied to those owners of the motel, saying that he was a pediatrician, so that he could inspect their son.
01:28:16 Ended up being the most easiest, which should have been the most difficult. I supervised seven interns on the midnight to eight shift.
01:28:22 Have you had
01:28:22 all of that's made up, all of that's made up
01:28:26 training?
01:28:26 No medical training, and I don't like the sight of blood. And when I was, when I would be called to the emergency room, I'd walk in, there'd be two or three interns there, and I'd be called down, and I'd walk in, and I'd say, what's the problem? They'd say, Doctor, we have a severe in cardio here with a.. I didn't know if the guy broke his leg, had a heart attack, so I would say, well, Dr. Carter, what do you think? Well, Dr. I would like to administer 30 ccs of this. Dr. John, I concur. Dr. Jane, I concur. Gentlemen, have at it. And out I would go.
01:28:55 Well,
01:28:56 I became one of the most respected residents because I was the only one that ever allowed them to do anything without
01:29:04 crazy story. We'll come back all bullshit, 100% bullshit. All of that comes from him pretending to be a doctor once, so he could inspect the little boy and give him aspirin, and then steal money from them
01:29:19 with Frank Abagnale. I believe I find this absolutely mind-boggling. It says on the card you also faked it as a lawyer on a state attorney general staff. Can you talk about that?
01:29:33 Yes, I, after the doctor thing, went had enough confidence to go down, and
01:29:37 did they ever catch you on the doctor's?
01:29:39 No,
01:29:39 you finally got tired of
01:29:40 it.
01:29:40 I was. I was never caught in any of my impersonations. They found out about them later, after I resigned and left. And
01:29:48 you unpaid well for those,
01:29:49 right? Paid well,
01:29:50 didn't they ever say, 'Doctor, could we see your certificate in pediatrics or your
01:29:55 body?
01:29:56 I would present phony credentials,
01:29:57 phony, of course, I think.
01:30:00 And I went,
01:30:01 were the phony credentials also made by that kid in summer camp that you gave a couple beers to,
01:30:08 went down and presented some credentials to take the bar in Louisiana, and I studied for it for about three or four months, took it three times, the third time I passed it legally, passed it, and went on work as a corporate lawyer on the Attorney General staff, and worked there for almost a year, won a number of cases, all
01:30:36 made up, and boomers believed every word of it. I trust society. Well, how he wouldn't be lying. It's on TV, it's on the TV. So that's the other lesson of this story is how fake and gay everything was, and there was no way to really check it out, like even the people that ran Johnny Carson's show, not exactly a small budget, there, the research people weren't even able to ascertain that this guy was just some fucking bullshitter out of Texas that started a fake company, so that he could get rich, and he did get rich.
01:31:22 You ever get the feeling you could end up prosecuting yourself?
01:31:25 Yeah,
01:31:26 but that's weird. Airline pilot, doctor,
01:31:29 did you ever have to? Did you have to watch drinking so that you wouldn't fumble? Or did you, could you not drink, or did you watch yourself?
01:31:37 I always did. I never drank, I never smoked, and today I don't smoke, and drink very little.
01:31:44 I know the nose, right? The nose looks very jewy. The nose looks.. it just does. It looks so jewy. It makes you wonder. I'm just saying, the information I have is that his mom was French, his dad was Italian, and he went to Catholic school, but you know, you see that, and you're like, there's got to be some Jew in there somewhere. I mean, the Italians sometimes look like Jews. There's a reason why Jews play Italians in movies so often, and no one notices, and the French sometimes have funny noses, so maybe it's, you know, maybe it's just a quirk of genetics, where you mix a French and an Italian together, and you get some dewy monstrosity, like that. I don't know, I mean, look, he looks so jewy, he looks absolutely Jewy, but it's not what I, the background I'm able to find here
01:32:47 as a result.
01:32:48 He must have been running on a sort of adrenaline high the whole time.
01:32:52 I was running a lot.
01:32:54 Do you miss the challenge of that? I mean, do you ever get that little craving and say I've got a real scam that I think would be fun to do, not real. Let's understand.
01:33:06 The interesting thing about that question is, he's scamming in this moment. This moment is the scam. He is scamming Johnny Carson, probably one of the most famous people in the world at this time on television in front of millions of people, so if at any moment in his scam career, which was very lackluster, to say the least, if at any moment he felt that rush that they're talking about, it's right now. This is the moment he's feeling that rush,
01:33:42 Dan, and I think we'd point out, so we don't get mail tomorrow, that we're not saying, you know,
01:33:45 crime, that's the
01:33:46 kind of thing, because it's amusing, because you serve time in all of those prisons,
01:33:51 right? I feel that what I do now I find very challenging, people sometimes pay me to go into their places of business, and actually see if I can beat a system or be write a bad check in one particular bank or something, shortchange someone.
01:34:08 What's the best way to sell a bad check? Is there any way
01:34:11 in dealing with personal checks? The best way is by the number up in the right hand corner,
01:34:15 really a check. Do we have was this what this is? Well, this is things. How to detect bad checks? Six simple steps. You want to talk about those as we show them. One of them is feel the edges. What does that? What does that mean? Okay, this is a card that I designed at.
01:34:33 He's basically getting a free advertisement for his consulting firm with a, with, you know, an endorsement from Johnny Carson to the whole world, he can now approach a bank and say, I was on Johnny Carson, and that's, that's literally what launches his career, that's what gets him going. That other show that he was on, first, the show, I think. That finished rendering here, yeah. Here we are. This was a show called To Tell the Truth. I haven't watched this yet. We're not gonna watch, obviously. It's, I think it's the whole episode, so we're not gonna watch the whole thing. But this is what Carson's people likely saw that led to him getting an appearance on Carson. I'm not familiar with this show at all. Let's see what they say
01:35:35 here. Ladies and gentlemen, from New York City, Joe Gara.
01:35:40 Welcome. Thank you very much.
01:35:52 And welcome to To Tell the Truth. Now, if you're a faithful viewer of this show, you know that this game is played with one real person who must always tell the truth, right, and then two imposters who can lie right through their teeth. Okay. Well, our first guest, he's made a career out of being the most outrageous imposter that we've ever come across on this show, and you're gonna see what I mean right after we meet our panel. Let's meet him
01:36:18 now. Let's not
01:36:22 meet well in just one minute we're gonna meet a real imposter, and then we're gonna meet our two imposter impostors. But first, let's say hello to our real, genuine panel here, our regulars of Cass, Cullen, and Carlisle.
01:36:40 There he is.
01:36:42 Number two, my name is Frank William Abagnale.
01:36:46 And number three, my name is Frank William Abagnale.
01:36:52 Don't miss a word of the various life stories of Frank William Abagnale. I, Frank William Abagnale, am known as the world's greatest imposter, and no wonder. In the course of my nefarious career, I've pounded myself off as a doctor, lawyer, college instructor, stockbroker, and airline pilot to become an airline.
01:37:16 He added stock broker in there this time, apparently he was a stock broker also at some point,
01:37:21 I'm pilot. I merely bought a plastic ID card for $5 affixed an airline logo from a model plane hobby kit, and in no time at all was co-pilot for a major airline. As a bogus lawyer, I actually worked on a state attorney general staff for six years. I also cashed over $2,500,000 in bad checks in 26 countries. Ultimately, I was sentenced to 72 years in prison. I served one year in France, one year in Sweden. I then served four years in a federal prison in this country, paroled, I now devote my life to the prevention and detection of crime. Signed Frank William Abagnale. Some,
01:38:12 yes, they had some show where they try to guess, you know, we're not gonna watch it, where you know who's the real, who's the real scumbag here, but it's funny, because again, they're all imposters. It's all made up. The entire thing's made up. They got photos. Let's see. Who here is this? Who he is?
01:38:29 Hey, you hold it. And I just turned around to him and said Davis, FBI. They said me, sir. And I sent him around back front.
01:38:37 Alex pretended he was an FBI agent for a while. He pretended to be in a see, he just, he just makes shit up, and this is before the internet, so all the boomers at home are like, oh, that's crazy, that guy got away so much,
01:38:51 since it's impossible to get over the walls or to come out physically, I impersonate a federal prison inspector and walk down to the prison,
01:39:00 you just tell the people you have another incident like that.
01:39:02 Yeah, I had a case where the police had my hotel room surrounded in Atlanta. I went out the back door and I had a suit on. As I stepped out the back door, two officers came around the corner and they said, "Hey, you hold it, and I just turned around to him and said, "My name is Davis, FBI. And they said, "Oh, excuse me, sir, and I sent him around back front.
01:39:21 Yeah, didn't happen. They arrested him without incident every single time. They caught him immediately every single time.
01:39:29 Listen, I want to show you some pictures now. He's actually had nerve enough to take pictures when he was posing as a doctor, as an airline pilot. I want to show you Frank as a medic. Take a look, there he is as Dr. Imposter, right there,
01:39:44 a regular
01:39:45 mother.
01:39:45 Weird, weird, he has the same haircut that he has on this show. He doesn't look like a teenager either,
01:39:51 as well.
01:39:53 And there he is as a pilot.
01:39:55 Oh, look, same, same haircut again. These are all pictures he took for his fake. Background,
01:40:00 he looks very official.
01:40:02 He
01:40:03 could brag there. He is so, thank you very much, Frank. Thank you, our two imposters, for playing our game to tell
01:40:09 a all bullshit, all 100% bullshit. But yeah, by 1988 or by 1980 rather, this is a news report, so this is now that he's been on Carson, he's been on that show, he's been featured in all kinds of newspapers and whatnot. What is he doing? He's going to schools again, speaking to young kids,
01:40:40 he He posed as a doctor, an airline pilot, a college professor, an FBI agent, and a lawyer. By writing bad checks, he became a millionaire twice over before he was even 21 He was wanted by the law in 26 countries in all 50 states.
01:41:02 No, he was wanted, like, like two or three states, and in two countries, both of which arrested him, and he did time
01:41:12 today. Frank Abagnale is a millionaire in his own right, one of the good guys. He is a con man turned straight.
01:41:20 What I'm about to tell you comes from no religious belief, no morals belief. I'm telling you it only because I have been there and I am back. I don't know of any amount of money that any crime is worth committing.
01:41:36 At 31 Frank Abagnale is debonair, rich, successful, and one of the most demanded speakers in the country. If he would walk along and say, you know, I'd like to be your friend, I would accept him not on what he's done in his past, but what he could do for the world today. Do you think he's able to relate to young people like yourself? Yes, and I guess I have a lot of feelings for him, because he's missed what we're going through now.
01:42:05 Good that you've got feelings for him, because I'm pretty sure that's exactly why he's there.
01:42:11 He gets up to $2,500 to speak for a couple of hours, but he goes to schools free. Why to pay off what he calls his moral obligation to society. In reality, he's doing much more than that. He owns a consulting firm on white-collar crime that's cutting losses and preventing rip-offs in several major banks and corporations, not the least of which is the Chase Manhattan Bank. He was fired from Weingarten grocery chain after 14 months of working 70 hours a week today, he consults for them, but having found he couldn't live down his notion,
01:42:46 that's bullshit too. He never worked for them. Everything about this guy's bullshit.
01:42:53 Boris reputation, he found a way to live with it. He's retired, but not reformed.
01:42:58 A con artist is part of one's personality and the ability to persuade and influence people, and I think there are a lot of
01:43:07 once
01:43:07 again, he's, he's, he's doing what he's saying right now, it's the most ballsy con, I guess, in a way, I mean, in a way, right, he's he's lying about his entire past for a local news channel, and everything he's saying to them is a lie, and the lie is that he's a con man.
01:43:28 There's a lot of car salesmen who have the same ability, use it in a different way. I don't think that prison rehabilitation,
01:43:34 she's eating it up. She, she caught in fact, she, she seems into him. She opened up the news package by saying that he was debonair, and he's a millionaire. Look at that. They might have fucked her.
01:43:51 Tated me. I think that I came out of prison, and I grew up a great deal there, realizing that I had hurt myself, and that for my own benefit it's in my best interest to go along and do what I do in a correct manner.
01:44:09 Are you there? Say a prayer for the pretender who started out so young and strong, only to surrender.
01:44:25 Frank started out at 16, and in five years he saw 82 countries around the world. Eventually, the world's greatest pretender did surrender to police and was just released from parole a few months ago. His memories are painful, but often comical, like this conversation he had with Mike.
01:44:43 100%
01:44:43 made up, anyway. Skip ahead here.
01:44:48 One would have to marvel at how intelligent you would have to be to pull it off. Do you go along with that?
01:44:54 Not so much. I had an IQ of about 151 I had a photographic memory. I did very well in. Cool.
01:45:06 Okay, let's come on, man. Look, you're obviously not an idiot. Let's, let's, okay, 151 IQ and photographic memory. Okay, come on, calm, calm down there, buddy.
01:45:21 But I don't think that really had a lot to do with it. I think the ability I had was in my personality, in my appearance. I was brought up by a wealthy family, and was brought up
01:45:31 well. I
01:45:31 wasn't. He wasn't brought up by a wealthy family. All everything about everything he's saying
01:45:36 is a lie. Well-mannered, and I knew how to handle people.
01:45:40 But don't let looks fool you. That silk scarf he always wears is really a pair of ladies nylon underpants.
01:45:48 Okay, that's not creepy at all. This guy's a fucking weirdo creep.
01:45:52 I'll take him.
01:45:54 Frank's consulting agency does over $10 million a year, but money doesn't impress him a whole lot. He lives well in Houston, but not extravagantly. His Lincoln and swimming pool don't rank anywhere near his wife and son. Do you ever get sick of the whole thing, want to leave the identity behind, and just be introduced as Frank Abagnale, my next-door neighbor?
01:46:17 Yeah, I
01:46:18 know, obviously not, or he could do that, because that's who he is,
01:46:21 and I think a lot of times,
01:46:22 by the
01:46:22 way, he's married with a kid, and he walks around with women's panties hanging out of his fucking shirt or jacket pocket. All right,
01:46:34 I meet people who do, don't know
01:46:35 again, it's not almost instances where it's like it seems Jewish, but also kind of Italian.
01:46:40 Who I am. I just tell them I'm a consultant, and I never give them any of my background. It's a nice feeling not to have to sit there, and how'd you do this, and how do you do that? It's the same questions I resent occasionally people who say, who will meet me, and they'll say, I better check my wallet or something like that, which a couple of years ago didn't bother me. Today it bothers me, maybe because I worked very hard to get where I am now, and I feel that I have credibility. Okay,
01:47:05 the wife looks Jewish too. Come on, come on, come on. Is this guy a secret Jew? Come on, I mean, everything else about this guy is a lie. Come on, there's no way. Come on, that there's no way. There's no way, man. Like that, wife has to be a Jew. Look at this, look at that, look at that, you.
01:47:42 I don't know, I feel, I feel, I feel like there's.. let me move that over, so you guys can see it better. That seems like Junos to me. That seems like June. I don't know. Anyway, let's, so long story short, let's get, let's go through his resume today, because he, he did a bunch of, I mean, look, he's done TED Talks, even though all this stuff was uncovered, by the way.
01:48:17 In fact, after he was on Johnny Carson, which was in the 70s, the San Francisco newspaper looked into all of his claims and debunked like half of them back then, like in the 70s, and yet again, because there was no internet, because no one's going to go reading all the newspapers, all the local newspapers all across the country trying to track down every little bit of information about him.
01:48:43 Back then, you could, you could just do this, you could just make shit up, you could just make shit up, and people would believe it, because how would they know? So, here is, here's his resume today.
01:48:58 Let's see here, I so by the by 1981 so a year after this piece aired, he published, or there was again, this is every time that this something like this would would go out, newspapers would publish exposes talking about how he was full of shit, so in 1981 the Advocate in Baton Rouge published a detailed two-part investigation, including statements from Abagnale's actual victims, so the Park family, the woman that he stalked for a while, and quote, he had a key to our front door, it was never recovered. We changed the locks. I fed him. I cooked. I don't trust people as much anymore.
01:49:50 They, so they actually interviewed his real, you know, his line about, "Oh, I only, only rip off big corporations. Yeah, bullshit by the 19 nine. 80s, he was a regular on a British network series called The Secret Cabaret.
01:50:06 Continued on the lecture service circuit by 2001 he published a book called The Art of the Steel, made a bunch of money off that, that was published by Broadway Books by 2002 That's when Steven Spielberg's movie Catch Me If You Can was released with Leonardo DiCaprio and all those big names, and he played French police officer.
01:50:31 He claimed he didn't get a penny from that movie, which is also bullshit. So he's all he's like, literally every word that comes out of this man's mouth is a lie. In 2007 he published Stealing Your Life, talking about how he was, he was this master of identity, which is all bullshit.
01:50:52 In 2011 Catch Me If You Can, the Musical came out on Broadway, it ran for 170 performances, it received four Tony Award nominations by 2014 He publicly stated that he was celebrating 38 years at the FBI.
01:51:17 When the FBI was contacted, they said he never worked for the FBI, despite saying that he received assignments directly from the FBI director. Despite all this, AARP, the old people organization AARP, in 2015 named him as its fraud ambassador, so he became a fraud ambassador for ARP, doing like podcasts about fraud for old people to watch out for scams. In fact, he did in 2018 recently as 2018 he was still co-hosting AARP podcasts.
01:52:06 The name of the podcast was The Perfect Scam, and in 2020 he spoke at the Louisiana Association of Business and Industry and got a five figure fee. It wasn't until I think 20, let's see here, he finally came clean, like just like, like almost like yesterday. let me see here.
01:52:45 This was I used to have it here. It was he got cornered, I think it was by in the Wall Street Journal, some reporter who actually had access to the internet said, yeah, none of this shit actually makes sense, none of your story, backstory, actually, here we go, I Yeah, I think it was 2022 Let's see here, so 2022 Investigative journalist Javier Leeva confront confronted Abagnale at the Kinetic or Connect IT Global Conference in Las Vegas, with prison and court records in his hand, he had independently verified Logan's finding that Logan was another guy that in 2020 had written an article and confirmed federal court records showing that that Pan Am check conviction involved less than $1,500 He calculated that Abagnale was free for only a matter of months between 1965 and 1970 to talk about how he was in prison the whole time in 2022 So Google had him speak at Google.
01:54:13 They revised the video that they had of his talk at Google to add the disclaimer stating that Google does not endorse or vouch for the content, and that nothing that video is being retained except for historical purposes only.
01:54:29 So Google figured out that he was fake, and just in 2022 even though, again, they were writing articles in the 70s about this shit. September 12, 2022 Xavier University in Cincinnati presented him with a heroes and ethics award, so this is after this is after the the Google had added the disclaimer to his video in 2022 Xavier University in Cincinnati gave him a. Heroes in Ethics Award.
01:55:03 At the conclusion of his lecture, an audience member asks Abagnale whether he will acknowledge that his stories were fabricated. Abagnale denies telling any lies and states that he has no responsibility for the content of his autobiography, the film, or the Broadway musical.
01:55:21 Xavier University subsequently removed all online references to the event, so I thought I'd come across something saying that he finally walked it back. I don't see that in my notes now, but I thought for sure I saw something somewhere, like 2024 He finally was like, ah, whatever. I'm almost dead, I guess. The jig is up anyway. I just thought this story, it really illustrated a couple things.
01:55:53 First of all, the kind of bullshit that you could get away with in a high-trust society that didn't have the internet, didn't have any access to, you know, background checks or trying to check out the claims of the people that are talking to you on the television, and how easily people were fooled.
01:56:12 And again, like I said, Johnny Carson's staff didn't pick up on it.
01:56:17 How the fuck are the viewers at home gonna pick up on it, and even though there were articles written beginning in the 1970s as recently as 2022 a university was going to give him, or well, it gave him an ethics hero award, he so it illustrates how easily you can manipulate a high trust society, but it also illustrates, I guess, the power, the power of the meme, because how many people do you think, at that university, they had access to the internet, you know? People have had the ability to look all this stuff up for over 20 years, while he was, while he was doing TED Talks.
01:57:17 I mean, TED Talks are on the internet, the people that are doing the TED Talks had the ability to check this guy out and didn't do it. Why? Because the meme, just like Steven Spielberg's movie about the Holocaust, people watch a movie and think that that's real life. All you had to do is say, oh, it's that it's the guy from Catch Me If You Can.
01:59:59 I. A
02:00:12 timestamp. Where is it at here? Scamming fans. Oh, I forgot to mention this too. While he was doing the lecture circuit, after the speaking events, he would convince the people that went to his speaking events to invest in VIP investments in his business, sometimes collecting up to $20,000 and never paying them back, and he did this for years after that, that news report, that local news report, I think was from 1980 He did this for like a decade, collecting all these $20,000 investments, and you know, people thought he's a star, he's famous.
02:01:01 He was on Johnny, you know that this guy's gonna be big. They gave him $20,000 in 1991 He filed for bankruptcy, Chapter Seven bankruptcy, and legally erased $1.6 million in these investment.
02:01:21 I mean, they basically essentially gifts at that point, so this, he was still scamming in 19, that's when the scam really picked up, or picked up was after, you know, his whole history was fake, but like, once he, once everyone believed that he was a scammer, that's when he started scamming people, so he was collecting 20 grand from attendees, and it racked up a total, you know, $1.6 million in debt that was wiped clear from from the record.
02:01:50 Okay, here's what I was looking for: 2024 After 50 years of the nine journalist reports, Frank finally cracked during an interview with the Wall Street Journal admitting that he never worked in a hospital, never passed the bar exam, and this French prison story was largely exaggerated, but I'm still going to, I'm trying to find the exploitation of children thing I See here, so I mean, I mean, in addition to what we already know, so we know that he was giving kids alcohol at that day camp in 1974 and they was trying to make out with 17 year olds.
02:03:07 We know that he falsely got the job at the children's home, and was literally, he was placing children, foster kids, like he wasn't the like the activities director, he was in charge of placing children, no records as to like what he actually did, because the parole officer let that go, so who knows what the fuck went on with that.
02:03:30 Performing the fake physical on the seven year old in 1965 performing the physicals on the women in 1970 I thought there was another one, I don't, I don't think it's in here, but that's bad enough.
02:03:44 So the sky's a well, and then the weirdo panties in the pocket thing. Anyway, so that's the story of Frank Abagnale, who I guess in 2024 finally walked back his stories when confronted by the internet using Wall Street Journal, anyway. Let's take a look at Hyper Chats over at Odyssey.
02:04:10 We got one, as always, by Love and Division, as always, you Mork Lava Division says makes me wonder what else the entertainment media has presented to us as fact. Good work looking into this further. Well, I appreciate that. Love and division, yeah, you're right though.
02:04:54 I mean, so much of what was presented as true, I mean people wonder for. Example, how could they affect the whole, how could they have convinced the entire country that 6 million and all this other stuff with the Holocaust.
02:05:08 Well, here's a perfect example of something that was way easier to debunk, because it was way more current, it was local, there were newspaper articles written about it as it was happening, and yet it took till two years ago, two years ago for him to finally back off on some of his stories. I mean, so that shows you how easy it is for one of these lies to survive, and yeah, absolutely, a lot of our entertainment, our infotainment is probably just bullshit, complete fucking utter bullshit. All right, then we got Supreme Rabbi Satan.
02:06:09 Supreme Rabbi Satan says Ugoim are a joke. I took out all the first and second tier Iranian leadership almost three months ago. Their mosaic defense still has not collapsed, balkanized, or started a civil war. This is true. This is true. There's no, there's no civil war activated. I would assume that for anything to happen in Iran, it would require boots on the ground. I don't know if that'll happen.
02:06:40 Well, I guess what? The sea Supreme Rabbi Satan also says, you tick tock comment warriors worship cults of personality and cannot, cannot stop fighting each other. You clowns don't stand the chance against the Supreme Rabbi.
02:06:58 Yeah, well, that's, uh, that's the unfortunate truth is people are more impressed with internet clout than they are with what is good for their people, because for a lot of people it's not, it's not about white replacement, they're just, they're just their audience members, they're it's entertainment, it's entertainment, a lot of people that that watch watch online content isn't because it's not for education purposes, it's not to incorporate that information in any way in their life, it's because they're bored, it's because they want something playing in the background when they're playing a fucking video game or something like that, and that's, I mean, it makes sense, right? When you have a generation that's raised from cradle to the grave on screens, you get a lot of these weird parasocial relationship things going on, and that's what matters to them.
02:07:55 It doesn't matter, you know, they grow fond of an online personality, and that's all it's about at that point.
02:08:03 It's about they feel like they're friends with them, and they feel like they're part of some kind of club by promoting that person, and you know, everyone knows who I'm talking about, or there's actually several people I'm talking about, and there's people that, that, that's it's an effective way to get money out of people, it's why it look, it's, it's, it's a less, if you try to run things like a cult, and we've done so many streams about this, a lot of you guys get it, but if you're a content creator that, that runs a, a show, but really it's a community,
02:08:44 which is kind of why I've kind of strayed away from doing the community stuff, but like there are people that, that they start labeling, you know, the people that watch their show as, as I don't know, like Groipers or Bears or whatever, right, and they create, they give them a title, they give them a name, they make them feel like they're part of something, and it becomes like this weird kind of culty thing, and then all the cult behavior starts to kind of emerge from the well, the head of the cult, and it's a good way for audience retention in some ways,
02:09:20 I mean, there's a lot of turnover, I think, just like with cults, right, but you end up with, like, the people who stay are rabidly loyal, the people who are smart don't like being mistreated and don't like being lied to or manipulated, and so they, you know, they leave, but think about it this way, if you're trying to extract money from people, do you want to do it from stupid people or smart people? So, it kind of works out, right?
02:09:51 Like, it kind of works out to not have audience retention that's smart if your goal is to extract as much money from them as possible. People, you want them to just be brainwashed, retard losers, because that's who's going to pay the most money. So that's that's what it is. And then Supreme Rabbi Satan also says, What are you going to do? Laugh out loud, make an ethno state by growing corn in your backyard.
02:10:19 I own both sides, bitches. I am your legal system. I can do whatever I want. Yeah, it's interesting to.. it'll be interesting to see what legally happens, not just with Chud, although I kind of feel like he's.. he's gonna be fucked in the same way Derek Chauvin was fucked, in the same way James Fields was fucked. This is what happens when you interact with the legal system, that is at this point, since a system, you know, the purpose of a system is what it does, so the purpose of the legal system seems to be to punish white people, and to facilitate, or maybe accelerate, or you know, solidify white replacement, keep people in check.
02:11:09 So, in addition to like stuff like Chud the Builder, you also have, you know, what's going to happen with Return of the Land.
02:11:16 Who knows? I mean, hopefully, hopefully something good happens there, and if it doesn't, as I've been saying for years now, white people need to start thinking like criminals, not to say that you go commit crime, but you have to start looking, realizing that the power structure views you as a criminal just by existing, and so you can't just trust your local authorities to do what's just and to do what's right.
02:11:50 You have to always assume that part of their function is to get rid of you or punish you, or you know, in some way replace you, so you have to be thinking like that.
02:12:04 You have to think the same way organized crime people have to think when they, when they're making phone calls, when they're, you know, communicating, when they're talking about their plans again.
02:12:15 Not saying go, you know, become an organized crime boss, but you got to start thinking like one, a little bit. Unfortunately, Nemi B says just finished a six month tour of federal grand jury duty. Well, there you go. You were part of that, I guess. You'll be judged, indicted by a majority group of females, and the prosecutors will appeal heavily to a motion. I was absolutely disgusted by it.
02:12:37 Yeah, that's something I talked about when I was on with Arval the other day, I talked about how that's a huge problem with the legal system right now. It's the fact is, you will not be, regardless of what, if you ever are find yourself being tried in court in a jury trial, you will not be tried by a jury of your peers.
02:13:04 You won't be. That's impossible.
02:13:09 It's impossible for a white man, especially if you're pro-white, to get a fair trial because you, it's impossible to be tried by a jury of your, of your peers, not just because of the women, but because inevitably you'll have black people on the on the jury, you'll have, you know, Mexicans, you know, you'll have whoever, but it's not going to be 12 guys like you deciding whether or not you did the right thing or not, and so, yeah, prosecutors are going to appeal to low IQ emotional thinking of the people on the jury, and they won't have to argue facts so much as they'll argue emotion.
02:13:53 And look, if Chud the builder, as an example, ends up going to a jury trial, you don't think there's going to be black people on that jury. There's absolutely going to be black people in that jury, and they're going to play hours and hours and hours of, you know, him saying nigger or whatever, and for some of the black people on that jury, that'll be enough, they won't care about anything else.
02:14:16 So, in my opinion, there's no political or legal solution to our problem, for that's just one of many reasons. Gorilla Hand says, I came to the conclusion after listening to you on the Return of the Land podcast yesterday that we need to be segregated.
02:14:38 It's not fair to either race that we're forced to live together, right. Well, and what I said on that podcast was that not that I give a shit, but it's also not not fair to blacks, and it's what creates the problem in the first place. Well, I mean, often it's Jews create a problem.
02:14:56 Let's be serious, but like the underlying issue with having.
02:15:00 And non-white members of your population, in addition to the obvious first-order effects that you know impact you directly, like everything just getting shittier, right? They are also living in a fantasy world where they have to figure out why they will never perform at the level of a white man, and the two possibilities that they can consider are one, I'm not as capable,
02:15:27 I'm not as able as a white person, and that explains why I'm not performing at the same level, or the much easier and more promoted idea, well, it must be because they're doing something to me, and that's why every non-white and woman on that jury will automatically have a chip on their shoulder when they're in that jury box, or not even necessarily in a jury box, the cop that pulls you over, the fat black lady of the DMV, the check, the person at the checkout stand, the guy making your takeout food,
02:16:37 Zazzy McTazz, but says we did it. Me and the boys cracked the numerical code at the start of each stream, and it says, let's see here, Zazzy, start a cult one step ahead of you. Well, that's not what it says. I, you know, there's a, there's a very, there's an old stream, I want to say it's like a year old now, where I had a very complicated code go out, and no one - I don't think anyone's ever gonna get it, like you guys.
02:16:10 the guy delivering your takeout food, your Uber driver, I mean, you name it, not a whole lot of white, you know, areas anymore these days, and these people who are underperforming their lives just by virtue of a, a lack of aptitude, will blame you for it.
02:31:01 it is, Rupert Power.
02:31:16 Rupert says replay gang. Here are some extra birthday shackles for churro. Thanks for keeping us informed and entertained, Professor Stack. Good night. See you next stream. Free Chud. Well, I appreciate that. Yeah, Churro has been gone a couple days. He's been gone a couple days.
02:31:33 I suspect he'll come back. He always does, but I always get nervous every time I get nervous. I'm like the dad with a teenage kid that goes out, I'm like, oh, he better get home, but hopefully he's fine.
02:31:50 I saw it last time I saw him. Well, actually, not the last time, but the day before I saw he was frolicking with another cat, so he has, he has cat friends. He definitely has cat friends, which, by the way, a cat friend that submitted to him, it was kind of funny. The he ran up to the cat, and the cat instantly rolled over on its back in like a submission pose.
02:32:13 So, Churro, Churro is definitely the alpha out there in the desert. So, hopefully he's doing fine. All right, then we got Purple Cat Mint, says thanks, Devon. Appreciate that. And then we got scroll, scroll. Oh my god, we got a big Dono from Bleecorb, Bleecorb,
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02:33:05 bleak orb, or bleak, or maybe it's bleak orb that seems like that would make more sense, right? Bleak orb, more than bleak orb. Bleak orb says white unity will be the only thing that will save our race. The petty in fighting about everything else can wait until we deal with the Jewish problem.
02:33:27 Long time fans is the first time and first time donor watching since 2015 Well, I agree with you to some extent. It's I don't have an issue with with people supporting us and being on our side and having having to pass some kind of purity test.
02:33:46 What I have a problem with is people masquerading as someone that's on our side and also not being white and also being homosexual, and you know, and also often, you know, frequently talking shit about people that I have blood relations to, founding stock Americans, when they're not a part of that group, when they have zero relation to the founding stock Americans, which isn't to say, by the way, I'm not saying, let me just be clear, I'm not saying that if you're like a Ellis Islander, you know, Italian or or German, or whatever, that like you're not white to me, and I don't want..
02:34:25 no, I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is, if you're a homosexual Mexican snitch, that the last thing with zero, with zero blood, the part of you that is white is has zero relation to the heritage Americans, to the founding fathers, the people who created this country, the people that carved the civilization out of the wilderness, the people that defeated the savages and made America such a great place that your ancestors wanted to show up in the first place.
02:34:56 I'm saying people like that should not per. Claim themselves leaders of of anything, maybe, maybe manager at Taco Bell, but like certainly not the leaders of any kind of pro-white movement, because they, they're going to have different priorities, they're going to have different incentives, and just they're not us, and the whole reason we need white identity in the first place, and the whole reason why we need to have white nationalism in the first place,
02:35:35 is we need to start seeing ourselves as a people, people that have unique priorities, unique incentives, and unique values, and so when someone that doesn't share those things, when, when your answer to white replacement is someone who, in a sense, is white replacement, as Nick is, like Nick isn't against white replacement, because his family is white replacement. That's when they're.. that's why, where I draw the line.
02:36:08 And so, yeah, I'm okay with a, a rainbow coalition of actual white people, right? Where there's pagans and there's Christians and Catholics, and what, and Mormons, and whatever, I'm okay with that. Atheists, because you're right, there, there, there are problems that are going to require unity to solve, but at the same time, there needs to be standards, for fuck's sake, there needs to be standards.
02:36:41 I don't think in a response to a tweet today with JF, who was low key accusing me of pure or not even so low key accusing me of purity spiraling.
02:36:53 I said I wasn't purity spiraling, I was accuracy spiraling, because you have to, you have to draw the line somewhere, you have to be accurate about who these people are, and I'm sorry, like I said, it doesn't matter how charismatic and funny this guy on the screen here, I'm sure he was super charismatic and funny as he told his little stories about being a lawyer and being a doctor and being a pilot and all this other fucking bullshit that he was spinning, and I'm sure it was really entertaining watching him on all the different TV shows, but the other day he was fucking scamming, and if you think that you can't be scammed, you're the person that gets scammed the most.
02:37:32 So that's where I draw the line. I mean, I don't think that you, you know, that's what you're not saying that you would disagree with that, but I am saying that where there, while there does need to be some level of gasp inclusivity, you know, to some degree.
02:37:50 Yeah, I draw the line at faggots and I draw the line at Mexicans, and I certainly draw the line at snitches, and so if there's especially for leadership roles, okay, especially for leadership roles, so that's that's my point, okay, if you're if you're not white, you're you're a homosexual and you're a snitch, you can't be trusted.
02:38:22 You can't be trusted for anything. People trying to just like look, people are really underplaying this, the snitch thing. I don't know how, especially given what we've been talking about all night, about like how you need to start thinking about criminals, you have to start thinking about shit like that.
02:38:44 You have to start thinking about, is this person a snitch? But thank you very much. Bleak Orb with the big dono for the evening. All right, bleak orb. All right, then we got the Shogun says race car. Now, yes, the race car is is on the track. The race car is definitely on the track.
02:39:11 The Shogun also says really wish you would go mask off and take the throne of the movement. We need someone like you, although I understand you found your lane in life. Yeah, look, I by no means that's what always cracks me up when people like, oh, you're just jealous. No, I don't want to be a leader.
02:39:29 I don't mind playing the role that I play. I like being an educator. I like being a broadcaster to the degree that I, I can be helpful to my people. I would like to do that. I am by no means wanting you to know to lead anything that doesn't sound fun to me.
02:39:53 I mean, not that, like, you know, you should be willing to do things that aren't fun, obviously, but. I don't know, I don't even.. I don't even know what I appreciate. I'll take that as a compliment. I don't think that that's my role. And then, as far as the whole mask off thing, like, you know, like I said, I'll be..
02:40:19 I will be doing some IRL stuff this year, possibly with return to the Lynn later this year, so there will be that to look forward to for those of you who apparently are waiting with bated breath. All right, now we've got, let's see, I think that's actually it. I got to set up power chat, I haven't done that yet.
02:40:42 I'll do that this weekend. If I don't, I'm sure Rebecca will get her panties in a bunch by Wednesday, so I'll have to get that working for Outlaws as well as this show. Alright, guys.
02:40:56 Well, I appreciate you all coming here and spending this wonderful Saturday evening with me, or if you're watching the replay, whatever day in time it is for you. I hope you guys have a whole whole bunch of fun on the this, the remainder of May, and have a great, good rest of your weekend. For Black Pilled, I am, of course, Devon Stack.
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