OUTLAWS： Episode 3, DNA Destiny - 03/17/2026

00:00:19 I Wonder, You You Ah, I watching outlaws with Rebecca Hargraves and Devon Stack.
00:03:30 All right, welcome to another episode of outlaws. Outlaws. This is a good one. This is gonna be a big one, actually, guys, this is quite the quite the story, quite the story that we've we've tracked down for you
00:03:50 thinking my story about this topic, I actually, because I'm such a big insomnia stream fan, I was keeping a little list of things that I could pitch to you, and this Story I put in that list a few years ago. But when I when I read about it, I just could not believe that this had happened and that I hadn't heard about it before.
00:04:10 No, this is, this is a doozy. This is, this is a special edition worthy tonight or today. Rather. I'm so used to saying tonight, tonight, this afternoon, rather, or tonight, if you're watching the replay. So yeah, we have a lot to get through. I guess we should. We should just get right to it. But the, I guess the story, in fact, let me, let me transition us to the little screen here. The story starts out with this.
00:04:44 This, this, oh, look, look at that lovely young man. It's hard to tell that it's a man a little bit but this, this fish faced man, right here. So all the way back in, I believe, 1980 or 1979 Banging 1980 this young man here, Bobby saffron, was going to go away to community college, community college. He was a high performing high IQ Jew going to community college. And he went to Sullivan Community College in New York, and when he showed up for his first day of community college, he was kind of weirded out, because everyone that saw him was like, Hey, what's up? Good to see you again. Ah, it's nice to see you. And he was just like, What are you talking about? I don't
00:05:40 know, some girls kissed him on the mouth, yeah,
00:05:43 and he was just like, what? Either people here are like, really nice, or something weird is going on here? So he kept walking around the campus, went to his new dorm room, and when he got to his new dorm room, he was unpacking, and his dorm roommate walked in and turned white as a ghost and just stared at him. And Bobby saffron said, Well, what's up and his his new roommate, Michael domnitz, another Jew, of course, says, what you know, were you adopted? And he says, yeah. And he says, Oh, well, I think you have a brother that you don't know.
00:06:35 What's your birthday? Yeah, July 12, yeah.
00:06:40 And he has the guy knows his birthday, and he says, Well, look, you have a brother named Eddie, and we need to go call him and let him know that you exist. So they go to a pay phone and they call him up. And he said, Bobby. Says, Yeah, I was it was weird. It was like talking to myself. The guy sounded like me, and he was adopted, and he was adopted from the same adoption agency, and we had the same birthday. So they decide, well, yeah, screw it, let's, let's, let's hop in the car and I guess, see if you're really my, my twin brother.
00:07:23 And there's two of them now, great. So it gets worse. So he shows up, and sure enough, they're like, Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're twins. This is pretty crazy. We were both adopted and apparently separated at birth. And so this is pretty crazy, I guess. You know, this is who would have thought that we'd ever we could have got our whole lives and never, never, never known. So this story, because it's such a weird story, kind of the newspapers caught news or caught wind of it, and Newsday decided to run an article about it.
00:08:05 And here's the the article here where they talk about, you know, these two, these two boys that went to the same school, although Eddie, the the the second Jew, he no longer went to that school anymore. So it's Bobby and Eddie. Oh, it's Bobby and Eddie. And wouldn't you know it, it gets picked up by the national news, and it's in the New York Post. And in New York, New York City, there's three of them now, a third Jew, literally,
00:08:41 three. Don't worry. It
00:08:43 stops at three. So David Kellman looks at or his friends actually bring him a newspaper and say, Look at this weird story where there's these two guys who look exactly like you, and they have their they have weird meat, meat, like hook hands like you do. And he's like, Holy shit, that does look like me, and I do have those weird Meat Hook hands. So he gets on the phone, and he calls up and gets a hold of, I believe Eddie's mother, and says, I'm looking at a newspaper here, and I'm looking at two people look exactly like me. I and I was born on the same day, and I was also adopted. And I think, I think, I think I'm related. So he goes down and they meet up, and sure enough, it's triplets. So that's pretty crazy, right?
00:09:44 Yeah, it's absolutely insane. And then they discover all of these similarities that they had amongst each other, which I suppose is no surprise, because they were, in fact, separated identical, spontaneous triplets, which is rare in and of itself. But. Story like this is virtually unheard of in scientific literature,
00:10:04 absolutely, and they found that they had very similar personalities. They had very, you know, similar mannerisms, despite having very different upbringings. Here's some footage of them dancing around after they've just because they were on local news shows. Because, you know, this is a crazy story.
00:10:28 Triplets, separated at birth, reunited just by pure chance. And so, you know, they're all excited that they they've got this newfound fame because all of the newspapers want to do stories on them, and then eventually, after they've been on all the newspapers and magazine covers, they start doing television appearances. And so here they are with Peter Jennings. And again, there, everyone is struck by the fact that even though they didn't. I mean, they have they virtually, were never around each other. Not virtually.
00:11:04 They were never around each other for 19 years. And yet, they they are so similar, even though they're raised by three different families. Now, one of the most remarkable, oh, wait, I think that audio is working, right?
00:11:17 Yeah, isn't that? Tom Brokaw, no, this is, no. This is Peter Jennings, isn't it? I'm pretty sure it's Tom Brokaw. Oh, yeah, there's Broca.
00:11:24 Remarkable stories. I've seen in some time, a story about triplets. They were born 19 years ago. There it is, Tom Brokaw, to go and then given up at birth for adoption, each one growing up in a different family, totally unaware that he even had a brother, let alone too. And this is really Eddie. Gatlin, he went to the same college last year. Coincidentally, friends discovered the connection, and Eddie and Robert were reunited. They thought they were twins, but then David Kelman saw their picture in the paper. They looked just like him.
00:11:56 I saw him coming to the door, and I opened it, and I looked at him, and then I closed it, and then I opened it, and I looked him, and I closed it again, and then he says to me, you haven't seen me in 19 years, and you slammed the door on my face.
00:12:08 You're all smoked the same brand of cigarettes. Yes, yes, you were all wrestlers at one time. Yes, you all feel like you've known each other for 19 years, even though you've
00:12:15 absolutely yeah, totally. How feeling we feel it. We all the same as soon as we started discussing, our personalities are the same. We always talk at the same time. We can't we start, I'll start a sentence and he'll finish.
00:12:31 So again, kind of bizarre, considering that they, they didn't, you know, they didn't, weren't raised around each other. They had different economic backgrounds, their socio economic backgrounds. You might say we're all very different indeed, all very different so that that's that appearance they you know. But over and over and over again, every one of these shows same thing. They all comment about how, wow, you guys are so very similar. We fight.
00:12:58 Was it ever, was it ever a worry for any of you, I know, when you first met each other, there seemed to be no getting to know each other. It was as if, I believe you said you already, already knew each other.
00:13:08 We got to know each other overnight. We were so similar just looking at us. And then when we we spoke to each other, we knew how similar we were.
00:13:17 It was almost like we were just confirming, are you exactly like me, or aren't you? Oh yes, we are pretty much that's your parents.
00:13:24 Are they excited about this new acting idea? Are they behind the scenes talking?
00:13:28 Yeah, I think they respect us because we are finishing college and we're we have a business of our own. We work the flea market, and we're doing well with that, and we're going to acting school at night at the corner loft theater, and we're just doing a lot of things, and very, very busy, but it's all together.
00:13:47 That was one sentence in three parts.
00:13:53 Yeah, rather remarkable. Who would have
00:13:57 thought that they'd be exactly the same, sharing identical DNA? What a revelation.
00:14:02 Well, and it's interesting too. I mean, not that. I mean, obviously you could say, well, you know, they're there. I their shared idea to all become actors. Now you could, well, who wouldn't want to try to cash in on the fact that we're famous triplets now? But not everyone might want to do that. So they all were, like, willing to change careers all of a sudden and try to be actors. They weren't on Donahue and, you know, similar things. You guys have been on the
00:14:30 front page of every newspaper in the world. True
00:14:35 People Magazine, Time Magazine, even the New York Times. Good Housekeeping.
00:14:43 David, let's begin with you. Which one's David, I keep forgetting you're
00:14:46 Edward, right. Okay, who are you? You David, you're fine.
00:14:48 You're Robert. All right, Robert and Edward. Come
00:14:57 on, these three young men. They're all seated in. Same position.
00:15:01 It was kind of amazing. They really were strangers. They looked identical to each other, but they were strangers, right? You know, they really didn't know one another, but their behaviors were so similar.
00:15:15 Our lives are parallel to a phenomenal degree. It's it's ridiculous. We're all the same. As soon as we started discussing our personnel, we always talk at the same time. I'll start a sentence and he'll finish it. We all like Chinese food.
00:15:27 You're all wrestlers at one time. Yes, you're all smoke the same brand of cigarettes. Yes.
00:15:32 What kind of cigarettes do you smoke?
00:15:35 Marble?
00:15:35 Do you all smoke the same brand?
00:15:37 Yes
00:15:41 I was curious. How's their taste of women? Is it similar?
00:15:44 Yes, I can't get over it. Extraordinary string of coincidences. You all have to agree, right? It's beautiful. You say you love each other. You only know each other for. How long did
00:15:56 it take for you to have that feeling like that?
00:16:00 You Yeah, and the taste in women, by the way, they were all into older
00:16:06 women, older women, which is really a really bizarre genetic component, right?
00:16:11 And it's that's, that's an unusual thing for all three of them to be into. So they, obviously, they get a lot of press. At one point, Madonna sees them and ask her, ask them to be in her movie, The really terrible movie, desperately seeking Susan, so they make a little cameo here.
00:16:39 There they are. I guess that's what got them wanting to do an acting career as well, is is their little bit part on on that show. So another thing that was similar is they all, all three of them had an older sister, an older sister that had about the same age gap too. Like, what was the Do you remember what the age gap was?
00:17:05 Well, I think that she was four, four years older, yeah.
00:17:10 So that was interesting too. And obviously that wouldn't have anything to do, but maybe that comes in later, hmm. So, hmm. So, yeah, they, they're very much kind of like a, you know, local celebrity, to some degree. They talk to their parents about how the, you know, why were we separated? You know, if we were, if we were triplets, you would that seems unusual. A lot of times they try to keep siblings in the same homes. So why would they? Why would they separate us like this? And the parents decide to go to Louise
00:17:55 wise adoption services, which was the premier Jewish adoption agency in New York City at the time, abortion during this time period was lower in the Jewish community, so they had a higher adoption rate. And almost all the Jews, you use this particular adoption service, which had a lot of credibility, it was very well known. There was a lot of government funding, which we'll talk about in a moment,
00:18:21 and they go to talk to the top brass to find out, well, how did this happen? So you had all the parents of all three of the triplets sit down at a table with the higher ups and say, Well, what's going on here? And the excuse they were given was, well, it three kids. It's, you know, it's, it's too much for any family to to take on and right? So it would have been too hard to place them in so, of
00:18:52 course, the parents were outraged. I think all of them said that they would have adopted all three of them, all right, families, right?
00:18:58 And so they were like, well, that's crazy, because most people that want to adopt kids wouldn't want they'd see him as, like bonus kids. You know, this is exactly what they would want. And so they didn't really buy it. And then, I believe it was Bobby's father forgot his coat.
00:19:14 So after the meeting, he walks back in to go get his coat, and when he walks into the boardroom, there, they have just opened a bottle of champagne, the board members, and are toasting some, you know, almost like you walked in on them, celebrating having got, gotten through a, a very odd meeting that they, you know, a deception, dupers Delight toast, if You will.
00:19:41 And he just thought it was really kind of kind of weird. But the the twins or the triplets didn't really care too much, because they were kind of just riding high on this fact that they they found each other, they were now famous, and they were getting into all the fancy clubs, and they kind. Of they got an apartment together in New York, and they were kind of partying down and, you know, getting chicks and stuff. One by one they got married. So this is the all the wives.
00:20:15 She was a goy, I think, wasn't she?
00:20:17 Yeah, she's the only one that's not like ugly is the goy. She's the she's the shiksa, and then they decide to go into business with each other, and it's because the acting thing, apparently, wasn't panning out. They keep doing shows. But really, the business they get into is they start a restaurant. And so here's the the restaurant called, you know, creatively triplets.
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00:21:18 So you know life is good. You know, they finally found each other. The acting career didn't really take off, but, you know, they've got a restaurant. They, in fact, it did really well. I think the first year they did over a million dollars in business. And, you know, they live happily ever after, right? Or something like that. Well, you know, it's funny, because, you know, their story, apparently, isn't all that unique. Jewish twins started to come out of the woodwork with
00:21:48 that profile. Let's take a minute to gaze upon the beauty and Jew us.
00:21:53 And now keep in mind, there's two of them now, but yeah, so these, these other twins, start to discover that they, who are adopted, that they've got the secret other twins in other places and all through the same adoption agency, the Jewish adoption agency.
00:22:14 No, really, what was it like? It was like looking at an alternate version of ourself, and we had led a different life,
00:22:20 not to be good, not to be glib about it, but did it freak you out? Because you you weren't, you were doing the searching. You weren't doing the searching, right, correct? Yeah. So you were. You knew you were adopted.
00:22:28 I always knew I was adopted, and I was not searching, and I was at home in my apartment in Brooklyn with my two year old daughter, and the phone rings, and I'm just answer the phone, and it was the adoption agency. We've got some news for you. You've got a twin sister, and she's looking for you. And, of course, yeah, my life was forever divided between before and after and, uh, and we got, you know, I think both of us separately, got a little paranoid thinking, you know, oh my god. Why were we separated? Has our whole life been a lie? Has it all been orchestrated?
00:22:59 Hmm, is that paranoid at all? I think anybody would be asking that question. I like how she immediately goes to paranoia. She's like, Well, I'm a paranoid Jew. So is this Jewish paranoia or is this normal, normal paranoia?
00:23:13 Am I just being a neurotic, neurotic Jew? I can't tell anymore, but in the same way. They discover that they have all the same interests. They both work in the film industry, doing very similar jobs. They have a lot of the same interests.
00:23:31 You were both editors of your high school paper. You both went to film school. When you reached a point where you started to talk about each other's lives. Was there a lot of similarities? Were there less similarities?
00:23:44 Our inheritance seemed to be inherited. Kind of freaky.
00:23:49 So same, same kind of a story. You know, they're there, they've got all these things in common. They get along just great. And in fact, they immediately collaborated on a book. And, you know, same sort of thing that not, not to the degree that the triplets were a big story, but these were, these two were kind of a big story for a little bit as well.
00:24:12 And tell me, Devon, were there more?
00:24:16 Oh, there were more. In fact, there are these two guys here, similar kind of a situation. He finds out through the adoption agency that he has a brother. He tracks him down
00:24:29 flying out there, and I remember being more nervous about that one event than anything I was out of my mind on that whole plane ride. I
00:24:53 yeah, definitely eerie the.
00:25:09 It I have champagne at home.
00:25:18 Right off the bat, we pretty much hit it off, and I felt like I knew this person my whole life. Is like I knew him my whole life. I think we lived a parallel life.
00:25:28 We lived similar parallel lives.
00:25:31 We got married the same year
00:25:33 we got married the same year we had kids the same year.
00:25:37 So once again, you know, they're they live in totally different areas. They never met at each met each other, and yet, they have these parallel lives, as they put it Yes. So once and also they were, they were also adopted through the Louise Weiss adoption agency or services, yep.
00:26:07 And who was at the helm of this? It was the Jewish board of Guardians. So I think that by now, you guys have figured out that this was a very large twin study that was done surreptitiously violating basically every code of conduct that you can imagine. It was not illegal at the time because there were less stringent standards in the 60 this was the study went through the discovery of the triplets, because that pretty much destroyed the credibility of the remaining study.
00:26:40 But it went through about 1960 to 1979 as far as we know, there have been 10 to 13 sets of twins. I think there was only one set of triplets, all identical, all separated at birth, placed in homes with different socio economic backgrounds, and only half of the people that were engaged in the study, that were chosen for the study have discovered their sibling through ancestry, through things like that.
00:27:09 Yeah, none of them were notified. They were just they all
00:27:13 deliberately not notified. So let's talk a little bit about the Jewish board of Guardians. When I first started reading about the story, I'm like, Who funded this? Who is responsible for this? The Jewish board of Guardians. They claim that they had no foreknowledge of this or anything like that, but it was their facilities, and they were responsible for choosing the home. So obviously they had to have some level of knowledge about what was going on, otherwise they wouldn't be able to place these twins, which we'll talk about in a little bit.
00:27:42 And who funded the twin studies themselves. It was the National Institute of Health. It was some philanthropic foundations. Surprisingly, one of them was the viola Bernard foundation. We're going to talk about her in a little bit. She was the protege of new, new Bauer, who designed this study, another Jewish philanthropic fund, and one of the twins was an anonymous private donor that was a twin.
00:28:13 Not one of the twins that was a the subject, but he was a twin. He wanted to know more about nature versus nurture, and he put in the seed money for this. But yeah, it looks like the Jewish board of Guardians Child Development Center partnered with Louise wise services, with Jewish money, with government money to fund this abhorrent, unethical study. It's just unbelievable that they were able to do this even in the 60s and 70s. I mean, good lord,
00:28:42 well, in the in the Jewish board of Guardians, they were involved in all kinds of wacky experiments. I found this clip here of them talking about how they were trying to reprogram kids, basically that had problems. And a lot of this, you have to think about it the context of it, like, Why?
00:29:04 Why were Jews putting so much money into this? Well, it's because there's high levels of insanity among the Jewish populations that came to America around the turn of the century. You had a lot of crazy people in their population and and so that was something they focused on. And unfortunately, it's something they also imposed on the goyim around them as as a way of kind of normal, you know, so they wouldn't stand out. I guess they wouldn't stick out as the sore, crazy thumb. And so I found stuff like this video here. It's, you know, they they were basically dealing with crazy Jewish kids, and in doing experiments and observations on them,
00:29:49 Bob's group includes Albert, who is suspected of being a latent schizophrenic. Albert was
00:29:57 referred for exclusive group therapy. He resists going to school. Is afraid of the dark, of animals and of children. He insists on helping with the housework and with the cooking. He plays only with little girls because he says boys' games are too rough. He has severe temper outbursts. Pretends he's a gangster, shadow boxes whip and shoots at his own image in the mirror. He peeps when his mother is dressing and burst into the bedroom when his parents are alone.
00:30:29 Another sister, by the way, that's, that's, that's a nice way of saying he runs into the room when they're having sex. His parents are having sex.
00:30:36 The point isn't Albert. She prefers his sister five years younger, when Albert developed cysts on his breast the age of two years, the mother feared that he would turn into a girl. The father is passive, self centered, resents Albert's effeminacy and beats him at times.
00:30:53 In addition to other personality problems, Albert has a character disorder.
00:31:00 Ah, yes, a character disorder,
00:31:03 an unspecified character disorder. So
00:31:06 they have, here's the observation room they have. They have, like, I wish I clipped there's another experiment where they were there just letting the kids run amok. But like, here's Albert the effeminate Jew kid.
00:31:19 Albert the effeminate boy arrives late. Albert is cautious, though seemingly not too frightened.
00:31:34 Now, the funny thing is, compared to, I don't want to be the kids these days guy, but I guess I'm gonna be the kids these days compared to the kids these days. There's nothing effeminate that you can discern from his behavior compared to, like, just your average fucking Gen alpha or Zumba kid. And so you watch what they call this is what they were basically they're saying, look how gay is like what
00:32:02 they're saying, it's pathological feminization, and this is clearly more masculine than the average male child.
00:32:20 Note how Albert delicately pats his hair and adjusts his collar. His movements are not characteristic of a real boy,
00:32:32 so he's Jewish Pinocchio or something.
00:32:35 Look how, look how gay he is for fixing his collar and patting his hair. So yeah, like this. They did a lot of experiments and behavioral experiments on children and but this
00:32:49 guy confusion in the live chat, really quick. They adopted these children, these Jewish children, into Jewish families, yes. So this was not like a Jew ongoing that would have, that would have destroyed it, would create a major confounding for the study. So, of course, they had to adopt into Jewish families. Yeah.
00:33:09 This was, yeah. This was Jewish kids adopted the Jewish parents from a Jewish adoption agency. Well, at least that was the front. The actual experiment was also conducted by a Jew, this guy right here. And so it was Jewish from, you know, top to bottom, like there was nothing about it that that that wasn't Jewish, you know. And so this guy right here is Peter Neubauer. No, Peter Neubauer.
00:33:41 Now, the funny thing is, Peter Neubauer, Well, funny in a gallows humor kind of a way, I guess, is the reason he's in America, or was he's since passed away, is the Nazis kicked him out of Austria. So he was one of these great, these wonderful presents that we got, these these lovely refugees. This was like the second wave Jew attack on America, the first wave, of course, around the turn of the century, where we had all the Jews fleeing Eastern Europe, the pogroms. They came here to enrich us with their jewiness and take over New York City.
00:34:21 And then the second wave of the the Jew, you know typhoon, was around World War Two, where you had Jews. Instead of fleeing the the Jewish behavior motivated programs, they were fleeing the Jewish behavior motivated Holocaust, if you will, in the in Germany and Austria and Poland, etc. So he was, he was literally chased out of Austria by the Nazis for being like this, essentially. And. And He came to America, set up shop, and immediately started doing experiments. So he's the, the author of this, this study,
00:35:10 before we, before we get into this, he also what he started, one was in the United States. He started doing research on one parent child in the Oedipal complex, because he was fundamentally Freudian. And I read this study that he wrote that was evaluating children between three and six that were raised in single parent households, you know, not just divorce, but but death and things like that.
00:35:37 And the entire study is just about how this has manifested, how the single parent household has manifested in sexual confusion for the three year old, the three year old boy, because he wants to have sex with his mother and his father is absent. It's just pedophilic transgender you know, the only people that were really addressing this were Nazis. The only people that were addressing it with real understanding and honesty.
00:36:02 And since I've been doing research on this project, everything has been memory hold, absolutely memory hold. So it's just crazy that it's not crazy at all. It's totally expected that he gets kicked out, kicked out by the Nazis for being a perverted psycho, psycho analytic Jew, and then he comes to America, where he continues to be a perverted Jew obsessed with psychoanalysis and Freud, it's like, well, yeah, that's what. That's why they kicked you out, dude.
00:36:30 No, it's, that's the thing is, it's literally the exact sort of behavior that got the Jews removed from Germany in the first place. Exactly they were wanting. They were doing experiments on kids, they were doing trans surgeries. They were doing all this degenerate shit. And so, you know, they the Nazis, wanted to hit the the reboot button and start their society over without all the Jews. And he was one of the the Jews they were. They removed?
00:37:00 So what? But what beneficiaries we've been of his wonderful research.
00:37:05 Yeah. And then they all came to America, or at least a
00:37:08 lot. Yeah, thanks, Hitler, yeah.
00:37:12 And so a author who was reading up on all these Jewish twins and the triplets and trying to figure out, like, well, what's this experiment about? Exactly? Because everyone's been very hush hush about it. You know, when the parents went down to go talk to the the adoption agency, they wouldn't even say there was an experiment. There's not really an experiment mentioned, except for very kind of mysteriously sometimes it's mentioned in the literature, but there's the findings of the experiment are never published.
00:37:48 There's no explanation as to what they they were even really studying, or what they hope to gain by separating all these twins and triplets. And so the author of this article, and I forget his name, but he decided, well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call up Neubauer and ask him to explain what this is all about, because he was going to write a story about all these, these Jewish twins and the triplets who are discovering that they were separated at birth. And Neubauer essentially tried to just brush it off and say, like, well, I can't really talk about it until we published the research.
00:38:31 Tell me a little bit about the scope of the study and how many people were involved
00:38:37 in it for special reasons which, if I were to go into it, you would understand the study was only based on a small number of identical twins separated at birth.
00:38:51 Yeah, I'm sure there aren't that many
00:38:53 that one could work with and that, yeah, many, many reasons which go into this, I don't want to talk about that now,
00:39:00 have there been ethical questions raised about this study?
00:39:03 Yeah, there were questions raised by a number of people when we looked for these kind of twins. I spoke once to the New York foundering home, and she said, You want us to for adoption, to keep one baby to this and one another baby to another mother. How can we separate what God has united to put together? How can we do that? And I said to her, but you are in the field of adoption. You separate mother and child.
00:39:36 What an absolute, what a Jewish cope This is. But there is, there's informed consent, there's there's voluntary separation in the adoption process. There is not that kind of consent separating, especially identical twins and triplets that have some kind of mystical bond and share exact DNA, right? It's such a cope. What an asshole, right?
00:39:58 So, you know, he. He, he basically would, would say, haha, but we separate kids from their mothers. And so the guy was like, All right, well, all right, whatever. Then What? What? Tell us the results of this study.
00:40:12 How did this study come about?
00:40:16 I tell you I would rather not want to speak about.
00:40:20 Oh, really, why?
00:40:22 Until they have published it.
00:40:24 Oh, when do you plan to publish it?
00:40:27 I think they probably want to come out with the data in about a year or year and a half from now.
00:40:33 Yeah, that was 1995 and he says, in about a year year and a half, it still has not been published.
00:40:40 Not until 2065 they are sealed records at Yale, nobody has access to them until then.
00:40:47 Yep, he is, he is dead, and the records are sealed, and no one knows exactly what, what was going on there. But yeah, he was. This is him with Freud's daughter, who was a real fucking piece of work, real complete psycho. And he was plugged into the scene as well.
00:41:09 He was a protege of of Anne Freud. So she, she basically mentored him. And everything that he knew in all of his studies, I'm sure, she was deeply involved in the in the design of this specific experiment,
00:41:21 and she she was worse than her dad by like, oh yeah, is as hard as that is to imagine. And then the woman working with him on the study was Viola Bernard. Viola Bernard, who, actually, there's a memo I found where she talks about how it's actually she was so obsessed with individualism that she thought that all twins should be separated at birth, because if they weren't, it would it would damage their ego.
00:41:57 They wouldn't be able to be unique little snowflakes. Because, of course, as as you might surmise, she was a big believer in nurture, that in the nature versus nurture debate, she thought that nurture was everything. And so if you were to get two twins and you were to separate them at birth and raise them in different families, you would have completely different people.
00:42:21 They would be unique, independent people. They wouldn't be in the shadow of their twin or and in fact, she theorized that the reason why twins were so similar, it was all nurture. People would treat them the same because they looked the same. And so it was, it was incumbent upon them, to separate them and free them from this, this bond. And so this was something that she advocated for, and she when she would do the So, especially when talking to people who didn't know any better, she would act as if that was kind of like the consensus that that that you should separate twins. And so the same journalist called her up and was asking her about the study. Okay, I've got
00:43:13 it on now. Occasionally there were some identical twins, if it was good for them to be placed separately. And the existing literature at the time, and this, I have to emphasize, the child psychiatry literature at the time that we were talking about was of the opinion that the placement of twins who were identical in separate homes had advantages for the children
00:43:51 and and that's just not true. There's there's literally no research whatsoever that even kind of implies that
00:44:01 I couldn't find such literature. I wanted to cite such studies, but I never, in my research, came across anything really substantial that made the case that Dr Bernard was making. To me,
00:44:14 viola, Bernard has talked about literature that says that twins are better off being raised apart. I know of no such studies. I've never seen anything, nothing in the literature, and I've read pretty widely, I've never seen anything that argues for the separation of twins as being better for them.
00:44:31 So she was just making it up because she was trying to promote the idea that it was nurture, that nurture was what had everything to do with the outcomes of people, and of course, this plays into the bigger Jewish narrative. You know that the narrative on race, the narrative on race, whether you're talking about black people or Jews, you know in white societies that the reason why you have these different outcomes is because that they are nurtured differently.
00:45:00 The reason why black people commit more crime is because they're treated differently because of the way they look, and so that manifests their behavior because in the same way that twins act identically because the way they look, they look the same, and so people treat them the same, and so they end up the same. And so this is, this was kind of like the theory, and slowly you start to understand that the reason why that they were doing this kind of a study might have something to do with this nature versus nurture debate.
00:45:35 Here is a quote from Viola Bernard. Here. She says, we are still being this is because, obviously they were not. They were being very secretive about this study. They and they actually had recently passed laws, informed consent laws that Rebecca just mentioned about how you had to because there have been so many experiments conducted largely by Jews on people unbeknownst to them, and to be fair, and the CIA, although probably some Jewish influence there too, there was all these experiments that people were finding out about and being like,
00:46:12 You fucked with people just to get, like, some kind of weird information that really wasn't even all that helpful to begin with. And so they passed these laws where you could no longer involve people in these kinds of studies without them understanding what the study was for and them consenting to the study. And so, of course, the twins studies would fall way outside of that. And this is a quote from her, saying, we are still being very careful about the research, and do not wish to share information about it, especially in these days of informed consent concern.
00:46:48 So she was, yeah, so she was actively trying to keep it, keep it under wraps, because they knew people wouldn't like it. And also you realize that well, because this was part of a study, and because we presume that had something to do with nature versus nurture, that might also explain why the three twins or the triplets were placed in a home that had a identical family structure, where you they all had the older sister that was equally, you know, older as as all the rest of them.
00:47:29 And the only thing that they changed was the socio economic factor, because you had one of them that he was a adopted by a prominent doctor. I forgot what his mom did, but, you know, they made a lot of money. They lived in, like, the nicest neighborhood that you could then you had the middle class Jews, which were, I think one was a teacher and I forgot, but they were middle class Jews.
00:47:57 And then you had the caller, the blue collar Jews, who were like, fresh off the boat didn't spawned a grocer. Yeah, I like how that's like, low class for Jews is they own a grocery store, but that's the way they looked at it. And so the
00:48:14 real reason that they placed the older sibling was to monitor the families for sameness in terms of parental emotional support, because that would have been a major confounding so they actually placed dozens and dozens and dozens of 21 year old girl, well, not 21 at the time, but same age girls in these different families, and then monitored the hell out of those families, did all sorts of experiments on those families, and then chose when, when the twins came around for adoption, then chose to place so they could control some of those elements of the experiment.
00:48:52 So it was all very deliberate and organized the way that they did it. Yes, and there was, there's not a lot of again, because they're very tight lipped about it, and because the the records are sealed, there's not a whole lot of information, except for this guy here, who was a an assistant on the project. He was his name's Lawrence Perlman, another Jew, obviously. I mean, just look at him, this fucking guy here.
00:49:20 But the and this guy, this guy is very hateable, just even though he's the one spilling the beans, he only worked on the project for like 10 months, and he was one of the guys they would send out to the homes, for example, to interview the kids and and evaluate the twins and take notes, but he was basically like the the information gatherer, and he only did it for 10 months, and and then he moved on to other you know, it was part of his PhD, or whatever. And then he moved on to other things, and didn't think about it until several years later, when they were trying to get information on it. And. And he kind of gives you a little insight into it.
00:50:05 So when I was hired on in 1968 as a research assistant, I was mainly supposed to help with the organization and analysis of the data. We wanted to see we could tease out some of the subtleties of his child rearing processes and family dynamics and how that might affect the development of these two individuals who are genetically identical but are being raised in totally different families.
00:50:34 So there he, you know, he lays it out that that's precisely what the experiment was. And then they found a woman who was actually close to the the author, you know, of the of the of the study, Neubauer, and they decided to go interview her and her beachside mansion in La Jolla, California, and so she gives them a little tour of her little mansion and explains how important she is.
00:51:10 My name is Natasha josefowitz,
00:51:14 and I was Peter neubauer's research assistant. I
00:51:25 so come on in. Would you like a cup of coffee?
00:51:31 Here are some of my buddies, Michelle Obama and I.
00:51:35 I have it on good authority that she's a dude.
00:51:39 She is very tall
00:51:40 because she's a dude.
00:51:42 I'm like a little shrimp next to her. I come up to her right here.
00:51:45 You know, she's definitely a dude.
00:51:47 This is Obama three years ago, and here he is holding my latest book.
00:51:50 He's a nigger.
00:51:52 I said, Barack, I love you. He said, I love you too. And he gave me a kiss on this cheek,
00:51:58 you nigga lover. Yeah.
00:52:00 This is Robert Redford. Robert Redford and Al Gore.
00:52:05 I'm not even sure I like Al Gore.
00:52:06 And this is Errol, Flynn and me when I was 18, I thought it was a hoot. Errol,
00:52:12 how fucking old are you?
00:52:14 Picassos, Jesus Christ. We get it.
00:52:20 So after, after showing off how, how important she is, she sits down and actually, you know, tells the the people trying to look into this study a little bit of what she knows, because she was the research assistant, very wealthy, plugged in Jew, and this is her view of neubauer's experiment.
00:52:47 Peter started thinking, wouldn't it be interesting to have a study of mothers who were wanting to give up their children, who happened to be identical twins,
00:52:58 and then could be separated at birth.
00:53:02 If we could put them in two totally different environments, we would put to rest the dilemma nature or nurture forever.
00:53:13 So now we know that was what the study was for. They wanted to find out
00:53:18 there was more. There was, I think there was more they it's hard to tell, because the sample size is so small, but they seem to only really be placing these twins, placing the twins that had a parent with a with a serious mental health issue. And so it's, I will get to it later,
00:53:35 that aspect to it too. So here, but here's what I wonder they do mention in there's a documentary where they interview some of these subjects, and they all mentioned how, at least from what they're able to find out about their birth parents, that they all had some kind of severe mental issue, like one of them, their mom, was schizophrenia, like, in fact, the twin Girls that we we showed the clip from earlier. Their mom was schizophrenic.
00:54:05 The triplets, they met their mom once, and she was kind of like a weirdo and a total alcoholic and, and so there is that, that possibility, and, and, and we will get in this later, obviously, because what's you know, the theme of the show today, because those things are heritable, like everything else. All of these people have their own mental issues of their own, including the triplets, which, by the way, I forgot to mention, we'll get back to this in all the when the triplets were doing their media tour, and they're talking about, like, how, how.
00:54:41 In fact, I should have clipped that out. I forgot to clip that out when they were on Donahue, one of them, one of the audience members, stands up and says, and this is like, in one of the documentaries, she's like, weren't you involved in a murder? And I'm like, what? Hold on. And they gloss over it so fast. Because, like, he's like, no, no, it's okay. And the other two triplets are like, Oh, we believe him. He's cool. And they just move on. And I'm like, What do you mean? Why did an audience member think he was involved in a murder?
00:55:13 And then I started looking around, and there's an article that does the same thing. It's kind of like, Oh, these three guys, they they're finally reunited, which was a good change for for Bob, because he was involved in a murder earlier this year, and it's just like, what? But anyway, we'll get back to that. So all these, all these kids, had some kind of severe problem in their life and but I almost wonder
00:55:37 just be because Jews just generally have higher rates of mental health issues. But it makes sense to me that they would conduct this experiment and see if they can environmentally cure Jewish genetically inherited mental health issues so that they don't have to engage in breeding without groups to try to eradicate them. And I think that that that was an element, at least an element, of study.
00:56:00 Well, I think that, well, that would certainly see, if you're doing the the nature versus nurture experiment, and you're you found at the end of the experiment that it was all nurture, like you were able to get these children of psychos and and they would come out fine if they were raised by like the fancy Jewish doctor, yeah. I mean, that would certainly be something you could extrapolate from. That is like, Oh, sweet. Then we don't have to. We can, we can? We can cure Jewish neuroticism, and while keeping our our genes
00:56:31 pure, yeah, we don't have to marry Asians. Okay, awesome.
00:56:35 Well, which is also, I think they're there. That's, that's rolling the dice, you know, because, because, even when you mix Asians with white people, you get some kind of crazy results sometimes.
00:56:45 What happened with Michelle Malkin and her kids?
00:56:50 Yeah, well, and, but the school shooter happens. You know, you never know what's gonna what's gonna come out of that. But no, so she, she talks about how that was the point of the study, was to figure out the nature versus nurture, and as far as she knows, even though obviously the results aren't published, this is what she says about what she knows from being the doctor's assistant in terms of the result,
00:57:20 what they found out was incredible.
00:57:26 Our lives are parallel to a phenomenal degree. It's it's ridiculous. We all the same. As soon as we started discussing our personalities, we always
00:57:35 talk at the same time. You were raised in different homes, true.
00:57:40 I did not believe that it'd be as much hereditary as it was. That was more than any of us thought.
00:57:47 I'll start his sentence and he'll finish it. We all like Chinese food.
00:57:50 You were all wrestlers at one time. Yes, you all smoke cigarettes, yes.
00:57:54 Do you all smoke the same brand? Yes. Do you like the same colors? Yes. How's their taste of women? Is it similar?
00:58:01 Yes, we are moved to behaviors that we are totally unconscious about.
00:58:14 You were both editors of your high school paper. You both went to film school.
00:58:18 I don't know if you noticed our inheritance. It seems to be inherited.
00:58:25 It's disturbing. We don't like that. People don't like to hear it. They say, I have free will. We would prefer that we have some influence over our lives. Wouldn't you rather know that that you have some control over this, and so finding out Never mind doesn't matter what you do. So I think it's upsetting to people to see how little influence they have, how little control they have. We don't like that. We fight that.
00:58:58 And it's especially upsetting to Jews. If they're trying to push the idea that you can turn black people into white people, you can say that Jews are the same as white people in terms of their behaviors, and that, you know, it's all just a consequence of of outside factors that make us different. And so you can understand why after they've done this study, and the results are coming in showing that, oh, even when we separate triplets and we put them in totally different families with all these controls in place, and we study them closely from the time they're infants all the way into adulthood, they're The same,
00:59:39 yeah, yeah, but it's a betrayal of what we know about Jews and Jew Jewish behavior, because they, they tend to know that genetics matter, which is why they engage in such strong in group preferences,
00:59:56 right, right? But that's why they, they they know the results of this study. But they won't publish it. And so that's, that's the issue here, is this kind of information would have been very, very useful when it came to the civil rights movement and when it came to a lot of the laws that we have passed, you know, this is a lot of scientific data that would show you that we're not all just blank slates. We're not all just, you know, we're not all God's children, you know, we are very different people with very genetically driven behaviors, and that you can't and in a sense, that that essentially makes multi, multi racialism impossible. In fact, it predicts exactly what we're
01:00:41 experiencing right now. Devon, somebody is knocking on my door, freaking out. I'll be right back.
01:00:46 Okay, let me. Let me see what I can do here. I'll do this. Tada. All right, okay, so the the problem is, with with hiding these kinds of results of a study like this is it's completely screwed us over and because you went into the following decades of the seven or the 870s, 80s and 90s with the impression that the opposite was true, when all along we, I mean, they tortured twins and triplets to find out that this was, this was reality. So it's really kind of kind of disturbing on a lot of levels, and it also shows you why. You know they were lying to the twins, even like so here's some of these twins talking to that one researcher, Pearlman, and asking him, why? Why would they hide this? I mean, they're lying to us. They were even saying that we weren't even part of
01:01:50 the study. It's, you know, it's people making decisions about your life where you have no control, where they some of them actively just lied to you, outright lied to my parents, anyway.
01:01:59 So all this information that they gathered and is locked up in these archives. What? What do you think is in there that they're trying to keep
01:02:09 from No, there's gonna there's gonna be a lot of stuff there. There would have been home visits and films, and there'll be psychological testing.
01:02:18 I appreciate you acknowledging that we were part of this study, because people said we weren't
01:02:22 so, Oh,
01:02:24 see, that's just stupid.
01:02:26 Well, that's what annoys you.
01:02:28 I just don't understand that. I mean, why would they Why lie?
01:02:32 Why lie indeed? Why lie indeed? Because, you know, just like you know, the other day, I tweeted out a story about how they did this experiment where they essentially digitally replicated, because we now have the ability to do this, the neural network of A, I believe, a house fly, And they created a, essentially a, a very basic but accurate simulation body for this house fly.
01:03:08 And they recreated the neural network of a real house fly in the virtual house fly, and put it in this environment, and then sort of just hit play to see what would happen. And this house fly, which they didn't train, they didn't, they didn't do, like, with, you know, a large language model where you have to feed all kinds of data into it first and and get it to, you know, learn all this, all this information before it can use some kind of diffusion model to spit out text or whatever.
01:03:38 No, they just recreated the neural network that already existed in a fly, in a digital fly, and then let the fly loose. And it was flying around. It was eating. It was looking for food. It behave. It knew how to walk. It was behaving exactly like a fly, which, which basically tells you that it's so much of your behavior is biology.
01:04:00 And the more we learn, in fact, as a consequence of AI really, the more you learn about you know, the the the biological and structural factors involved in your behavior, the more and more it becomes obvious that race does matter, that genetics do matter. And this isn't even all that new. You know, there's so many things that we used to know before Jews started to obviously obscure this, this kind of information from us. I was listening to an old radio show from the I think it was like the 1940s or might have been 1950s it was like an old radio drama where they were talking about, it was like some murder mystery kind of thing.
01:04:46 Because I was just listening to some stuff on an old radio that I was restoring. I thought it'd be cool to like, oh, I have this old tube radio listen to, like, old, you know, radio programming. And part of it stuck out to me because. Was, there was this. It was about like some guy who was, you know, talking to his mom about marrying some woman. And the the mom does not want her, doesn't want him to marry this woman and have a family.
01:05:14 So she lies to him and says, Oh, well, you know that you've, you know you've got insanity in your family. And he says, What? She's like, Oh yeah, there's insanity in your family. Your Uncle Bob, he's, he's like, a real psycho and, and, you know, so if you have kids, you know you're gonna, you're gonna burden this woman with your crazy fucking kids, because you've got the, you got that insanity gene.
01:05:36 And he's like, Oh, holy shit. And I was just, I was shocked that that was even like a thing that people used to talk about like it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like some weird conversation. This was the way it was, at least the way it's presented. It was, this was like a normal conversation that someone would have in the 1950s about considering that the kinds of children that you're going to have and having, obviously, you know, the same behaviors that you would have. So it's, it's, are you back? I think you're back, right?
01:06:05 Yeah, yeah, it was my neighbor just frantically knocking on my door. And then when I went out there, he got into his car and sped away,
01:06:15 What? What? Yeah.
01:06:18 And then I saw him pull into his driveway, and so I tried to, like, wave him down. He ran into
01:06:22 his house. He ran, yeah,
01:06:26 am I gonna get murdered?
01:06:28 I don't know. Do you lock the door?
01:06:31 Yeah, I locked it. How bizarre.
01:06:35 Oh, I don't know.
01:06:37 I'll keep keep an eye on that.
01:06:41 I know, right. All right.
01:06:43 Well, hopefully that turns out. All right, so yeah, basically, I just played the clip of the twins talking to Pearl men about how they he could Pearl men was like, I don't know why they would hide the results, and it's obvious why they'd want to hide the results. Oh, and speaking of which, speaking of insanity, going to your kids, I looked into that murder case that they just kind of glossed over. Yeah, so, like, here's an example that for saffron, who pleaded guilty to charges in connection with the murder of an 83 year old New Rochelle woman and is now on probation.
01:07:21 The revelation that he had two brothers, his companion, triplets, came as an added incentive in his efforts. And I'm like, Hold on. What do you mean the in connection with the murder of an 83 year old woman? And I kept looking around, and here's like another one here, they shook hands and hugged each other and went inside to recount their lives, some of what they had to tell was painful. Schaffroth and another Scarsdale youth, Morgan Goodman had been charged in January of 1979 in the robbery murder of an year earlier of Eloise Henschel, 83 who was beaten to death with a crowbar while being robbed of a diamond ring in January.
01:08:03 This is the most Jewish crime I've ever heard. He teams up with another Jew to rob an old lady of her or jewels.
01:08:09 So I finally found the the details basically what, what saffron did was he, he his friend. He and his friend, Goodman over here. Goodman had a girlfriend that lived in an apartment building with some old lady who apparently had some big diamond rings. And Goodman came to saffron. I was like, I gotta, I gotta have those diamond rings because my, my my Jew envy is it's, it's out of control. We got to get those diamonds. Diamonds.
01:08:39 I gotta get the diamonds. And so, you know, saffron is like, Oh, I get it. We'll go get the diamonds. And so that he drives him over to the apartment complex. And Goodman's like, All right, I'll be back. I'll be back if I have to kill her, I'll do it. And he's like, all right, I get it. Okay, we need diamonds.
01:08:58 And so he goes up and he beats her to an 83 year old woman to death with a crowbar, takes two diamonds, comes back covered in blood and holding bloody diamond rings, they go back to his house and burn his clothes and wash the blood off of him, and then the next day, saffron and Goodman go to New York and sell the diamond rings to some other Jews for $2,000 they they get arrested that couldn't find out, like how, how they got arrested, but saffron gets up, and that's like a big deal.
01:09:33 You you plan a murder, or even if you're involved to the degree that saffron was, where he was aware before the murder, that Goodman intended to kill her if he had to kill her, like that was, yeah, from him, you're, that's, that's conspiracy. I mean, you're, you're basically charged just as much as the person wielding the crowbar. To some extent he get he pleads it down.
01:09:55 He pleads guilty to manslaughter if he rats out. Out his friend Goodman, well, so he does that. He gets five months probation, five months probation, and has to spend the weekends volunteering at a retard facility and the his friend Goodman, the guy who actually beat the old lady to death with the crowbar.
01:10:19 They threw out the murder charge over some technicality. And again, I couldn't find the details on what the technicality was, but they throw out the murder charge even though there's a witness, his friend is testifying against him for this plea deal, and he only, he only does time, which I couldn't figure out how much time, because they couldn't find the any reporting on that said, specified what His sentence was, but he only, he only got convicted on the theft. So they convicted him for a grand larceny, and, like, that was it.
01:10:53 And so she was 83 it's fine, yeah. So it's just, like, all right, yeah. Well, how, like, how many Jews were involved in that scenario, total, right? Because there's, there's the Jews that did it, the Jew that, because I think it was a Jewish lady that they beat to death, and then the Jewish lawyer, yeah, the Jews that bought the diamonds, the Jewish lawyers that got him off, the very likely Jewish judge, yeah.
01:11:18 So it's just like, Oh, my God. Anyway, so that was that, that was that story. But then there was, there was more twins, so that, because, you know, in terms of the mental illness thing, this twin found out that she had a identical twin, and decided to track her down. And she's talking about how she was raised in a very loving family, but all the same, she was always kind of like a very depressive kid.
01:11:47 I would say that I had a great childhood. I would say that I also had a lot of sadness. I have 1000 pictures of me pouting. I would pout, and my mother would take a picture and how cute I am pouting. I think I ran away like 20 times,
01:12:07 so she was just like this real depressed person. And when she finds out who her twin was, she calls up and finds out that her twin killed herself 11 years prior.
01:12:22 She was very glum, didn't smile a lot. I just thought, Okay, our son was a happy kid. She was a glum kid. There were serious people and cheerful people and everything in between. So she didn't have many friends. She was much of a loner. We always had animals. She had a bird, Albert. She had her music. Her first suicide attempt was when she was 17. Even when she was on medication, she was still depressed. She also had guns from time to time, and would go target practice, and that's how she finally killed herself.
01:13:04 That's hardcore for a woman, yeah.
01:13:08 And in terms of the triplets, Eddie, the one that everyone was mistaking Bobby for when he showed up to community college all those years ago, also shot himself, yes, unexpectedly, he was working at the restaurant and didn't show up to work one day, and he was, you know, no apparent his wife had no idea that he was even depressed. And, you know, he had his marriage, supposedly was happy, you know, the business, he was
01:13:46 experiencing an episode of mania, though, like he was calling people that he hadn't talked to in 10 years in the middle of the night, and he was experiencing these really big highs and lows, so they knew something was up. But it looks like kind of textbook manic depression that manifested later in life, right?
01:14:08 And so he blew his head off. And so this, and I think there was, you were saying there was, like another case, right? Like there was a third,
01:14:17 yeah, the Yale, the Yale newsletter, or whatever, said that there were three suicides related to the twin studies, but they didn't elaborate.
01:14:26 So you had, at least, you know, you had at least three of them so mentally ill that you had suicides. Now, the stupid thing about that is, in one of the documentaries, probably one of the bigger ones that's on Netflix, they they use that to basically try to say, see, it's not nature. Otherwise, all three of them would have killed themselves, you know. And it's like, Come the fuck on. Come the fuck on. It's so ridiculous because they're still hell bent on that, on hiding, which is funny, because.
01:15:00 Like the whole movie, if, if you look watch it, they give you the idea that there's this mysterious study and what's in the study. They won't tell us what's on the study, and and then they're all They're hiding it. They're hiding it. And then at the end, you basically facilitate hiding it by promoting the like shifting gears and turning, and giving the message to the viewer, that really, what this study proves is nothing, and we're all the city, we're all like snowflakes, and we're all individuals.
01:15:29 And just because all the other shit in the movie that we just that, you just watched that showed how we're all, they were all identical, and they're the same, that doesn't mean anything, because this guy killed himself, and so they're, we're all different, and it's like, what the fuck it's like? They're so hell bent on, on their not having, not having this nature component to things,
01:15:49 right, right? And I geeked out massively with researching genetic data on nature versus nurture, because there have been a lot of robust twin studies that have really, really good findings in terms of, like, the number of pairs and how the studies were controlled. I mean, this study, we don't know the outcome, and the sample sizes are so small, but there are, there's a lot of data on this.
01:16:15 So this guy, Robert Plowman, he was a psychologist and geneticist. He's his entire life's work was parsing out the nature versus nurture issue, and he has such good work, so go check that out. He's not Jewish, and he did this study sampling 10,000 twins with 5000 twin pairs, and he wanted to see the reading level of the top because a lot of these studies, they look at the media and they look at the lower tiers, but he wanted to see like is expert reading level outside of IQ, how heritable is it?
01:16:46 And what he found was that, between this and some other studies that he did, that all psychological traits have genetic influence, and so 50% of the variance he estimates, intelligence, personality, psychopathology, and even more complex behaviors, like educational achievement, divorce proneness, are heritable, so people just assume that the remaining 50% are environmental no so what he discovered in his twin studies, which is really interesting, is that shared environments account
01:17:18 For like, 0% of this. It's but the remainder, non shared environments, and that's what he calls randomness. So it's like things that happen in your life, accidents, deaths in the family, things like that, that is pretty much the remainder. But what makes this interesting is that those things and how people react to them, those are genetic traits, like the way that you respond to a really negative life event has a very high correlation with your genetic predisposition. So basically, what his findings are is is that environment matters almost none like you can really screw up a kid by beating them, by molesting them, things like that.
01:17:59 But outside of those incredibly negative life events, your environment almost has a negligible impact on the kind of person you are and what your behavior is like and those non shared environments. I mean, if you think about like your father dies, somebody that has a generally positive outlook on life is going to deal with those things, and like the passing of somebody or having an accident, they're going to deal with those things different. And those traits are heritable. So I guess the estimate there is like 70 to 90% of your traits who you are, are genetic. It's all genetic. It's all about genetics.
01:18:38 And even your environment is genetic. Because people will say, Well, you know, well, this person, you know, their parents treated them differently. Well, your parents behavior their way, their parenting style is driven by their genetics. Yes, exactly. And you are a part of that genetic line, and so even your environment and in, look, in, look, if you look at the the triplets, when they were talking earlier, when they were saying, oh, all three of them became wrestlers in high school, or whatever their their genetic behaviors are, in a sense, selecting their environment.
01:19:13 So even though all three of them are raised in different households with different income levels in different parts of the the the state, they are their their genetic behaviors are selecting similar environments. They're gravitating towards similar environments. And, you know, with the smoking and so even like health impacts, like, in terms of like, you know, they, all three of them became smokers, all three of them like the same kinds of food and the same kinds of women. And a lot of these twins the same thing.
01:19:45 They marry women that look very similar, those two twins, Gary and Howard, the guys that were talking to Pearlman, I didn't clip it out, but their wives, I mean, they, I mean, they're both Jewish, obviously, but they look they. Don't they don't look the same. Just because they're both Jewish, they look very, very similar, and they were married the same year and had children the same year. And so even even stuff like environment, to a large degree, is being driven and at least filtered by your genetic background, yes.
01:20:18 And so a lot of parents will be like, Well, what about love. I showed my child so much love that's also genetic. Like, the ability of a parent to develop and nurture and invest in a child is a highly heritable trait.
01:20:33 And even when you and here's the other thing too, is even when you put like the look, I don't know if there's been a study on this, but I know that there's anecdotal evidence of when black kids get adopted into white families. Oh, it doesn't matter at all, right?
01:20:48 And there's some very high profile instances of this, like senators that Colin Kaepernick, right, and they get adopted into these really wealthy or loving white families, and they still turn out, you know, maybe they turn out slightly better because of the economic advantage, you know, but like, they have the same behaviors the you know, there's there, they act way different than their adopted white siblings, you know, they don't, they don't just become white by virtue of being raised by by white parents,
01:21:21 right, right? And the socio economic background, it didn't matter for, for Eddie, he was the son of the of the doctor, and he's, he's the one that committed suicide, right?
01:21:32 And the one that actually did the best in terms of dealing with things was the guy that was, you know, he was the Jewish poor, you know, which means his dad owned a store, but you know what I mean, but like, he was on the lower end and and so all these different factors are still and looking in their case, it's, it's not, or, I guess it's more of a contrast, because their parents, or at least the people raising them, weren't genetically, uh, related to them.
01:22:05 But if you live in a household where your parents are, you know, where you're you share DNA with both your parents. That's 100% biology. So the whole argument of nature versus nurture is retarded because it's, it's all nature. It's 100% nature. It's with that.
01:22:21 You know, there's very it's almost like saying I have these two exact Honda Civics, and one of them's actually one of them's not the same because I dropped an 80 ton pile of concrete on it, and now it doesn't drive as fast. It's like, okay, but like they if you don't do that, if you drive it like a normal car, you know, like they have the same top speed, they have the same handling ability, you probably have to change the oil the same amount of times. You know, they're identical pieces of machinery, and if you treat them a little bit different, you know, there's, there's probably some threshold if you exceed, like, you know, you drive one of them into a brick wall.
01:23:04 Then, yeah, okay, now they're gonna, they're not going to perform the same, but outside of something like that, you know, you're going to have very similar results.
01:23:13 So, yeah. I mean, we have a big problem with this on the right, I see a lot of it from like toxin tick tock, and I understand that we're we're being poisoned by our environment, but our parents were all lead poisoned. Maybe we've been dealing with environmental insults throughout the course of Humanity, and it hasn't really changed the trajectory of humanity. So I understand that there's some environment that our food is poison, but it's not everything is seed oils and plastics, right? We're dealing with something much, much larger here.
01:23:45 And if you have robust genetics, you're able to handle environmental insults better, you just are. And so I think that we're dealing with a lot of cope on the right about how important environment is to us, because people don't want to lose weight, they don't want to choose their they don't want to change their lifestyle. And I just don't think it's all that important. I don't think it really matters that much in the grand scheme of things.
01:24:10 Well, right? Like, in fact, if you've ever done any kind of gardening, one of the things I found out early on, when I was growing weed when I was a teenager, was that genetics for plants even matter so much more than how you treat a plant. When I was growing weed, when I was a teenager, I tried growing just like weed seeds out of like the shitty Mexican dirt weed that I got, and I then I got some seeds from like, Switzerland, or something like, I'm, you know, mail order over the internet.
01:24:47 And the difference, I treated them exactly the same with the difference was fucking night and day, and that's just the way it is. Like, what when it comes to, I mean, why do you think bull semen cost so much fucking money? I. When, if you're a rancher, it's because genetics means a lot more than environment. You know, if you were able to just change the environment and get, you know, a better cow, people would just do that instead of spending like $500,000 on fucking bull come. But they but, but they spend $500,000
01:25:20 on So, I mean, said it's obvious, also that environment can switch on and off genes in a way that we don't completely understand. I think Ted Bundy is a good example. Like he obviously had the propensity to be a psychopath. He was a psychopath. But also, he grew up with a single mother. He was abused by is the single mother's boyfriends, like would Ted Bundy have been a serial killer, or just your standard psychopath that didn't do anything violent in a different home environment? Yeah, maybe. But all of the stuff was there. It was already there.
01:25:54 Well, and there's epigenetics, obviously, you know, there's, there's extreme again, but these are all extreme examples, extreme examples. It's like, if you get a normal pig, like a kind of pig that you'd have at a farm, and you release it into the wild, it will grow tusks, and it'll it'll turn into a wild boar, like it'll be, it'll grow hair. I mean, it'll literally physiologically change in order to fit its environment.
01:26:19 And that it doesn't take that long. Cats are the same way feral cats are. Are different on a genetic level after the first generation, when they when they realize that they can't just lay around all day and have you, you know, throw fucking treats in their mouth and they have to actually hunt for a living.
01:26:36 They get meaner, they get more skittish, and they actually have physiological changes that happen after one generation, and that's because they're responding to pressures. And look, there could be something like that happening in human populations where you have some kind of extreme environmental pressure having a genetic impact. But it doesn't matter at the end of the day, it's still a genetic source of the Yes, of the of the behavior and of the changes, and so that's, that's the big thing. I see a lot of people, especially as there's people trying to veer into this Christian nationalism, this Universalist bullshit where, you know, race doesn't matter, you know.
01:27:16 And mask off on a lot of people now, you know, saying stuff like, well, you know, actually, you know, immigration is a wedge issue. We've lost that we shouldn't even try to to worry about demographics. And I'd rather live in a neighborhood full of black Catholics than white atheists. And it's just it's so fucking insane and wrong and and people are to the degree, I mean, it's people are now denying science like I understand, like being skeptical of researchers precisely because of experiments like this, but, but throwing out science because of people that that that abuse it is is insane.
01:27:58 It's almost like telling your I'm not going to teach my kids how to read because I once read this this insult about me, and it hurt my feelings, and so my kids are not going to learn to read now, because words are bad. I mean, that's basically what I see happening on the right is a bunch of fucking white people devolving into like these superstitious retards and, you know, embracing the most primitive way of thinking, as if that's, that's what makes you based and it's we got to fucking stop being retards. Retards. Is this? There's a
01:28:33 lot of Horseshoe theory going on. Yeah.
01:28:36 So anyway, that's, that's basically the, that's the, that's the story of the the twin study, the the evil Oh, and one thing I wanted to point out too, in these interviews, all the Jews predictably, when they when they find out what the study is, this is their response.
01:28:56 And I said, this is like Nazi shit.
01:29:00 I know, right?
01:29:02 Here's the mom, here's the mom.
01:29:03 I thought it was a Nazi experiment,
01:29:05 and it's like, no, actually, bitch. It was designed by a Jew who was kicked out by the Nazis right,
01:29:13 who partnered with another Jew with Jewish funding to subject Jewish children and Jewish families to this experiment. You know, it's, it's just crazy. It's like the myth of Mengele is just a projection, right? Jewish psychopathy,
01:29:29 well, and all those wacky fucking Holocaust stories, you know, like the masturbation machines and all that stuff. It's just, it's just crazy Jews projecting their crazy onto people and look the same. Look at how they've behaved with Israel in Palestine. Yeah, the brutality that is on display for the whole world today is exactly the kinds of things they accuse the Nazis of doing. And so once again, this is just another example.
01:29:56 I just I just thought it was funny, because, like every time the Jew. News would find out about the study. That's Nazi shit. You're like, Really, dude. I mean, it's literally, it's Holocaust survivor shit, actually, yeah, yeah. Like, technically, it really is. So that's the that's the story. Let's take a look at a at hyper chats, or we're gonna entropy first here. Entropy, we got righteous. Muffin says, can't listen now, take my shackles for another great stream. Well, I appreciate you. Then we got blunder bus says, just for giggles, can you predict the career trajectory of Lauren southern she's being interviewed by Richard Hanania today. Can I predict it?
01:30:42 I mean, she's, she's really jumped the shark,
01:30:45 yeah, I don't, I don't know. And I've never really been friends with her or known her. I mean, I know, who cares? I mean, right, yeah, exactly. Then we got else. I'll see one, maybe, or alky, alky one, or I'll see yon, I don't know, loving the show. Guys, it's beyond frustrating that the massive US and UK Data Sheets needed to are needed to identify the connections between the human genetic variance and behavior are no longer even available to scientists. Despite it all being tax funded. They know what kinds of inconvenient results we'd find.
01:31:24 Oh, of course. I mean, it was when I was doing research for this show. It was amazing the amount of information that had been memory hold, especially about mental illness rates and prevalence in the Jewish community. That's just absolutely been memory hold. In the 80s, there were some good studies, and of course, the Nazi studies that were that were pretty good, showing that there was a 50% increase in anybody that has Ashkenazi descent, like any level of Ashkenazi descent, you know, Tay Sachs disease and goucher's disease.
01:31:53 They're They're common, and I think it's some metabolic error or something like that, but, but scientists at the time believed that it was a manifestation of these metabolic errors that led to neurological problems like schizophrenia, which is obviously of neurological origin. Now, if you look at any of the studies today, they'll say, like no increase in schizophrenia and Ashkenazi populations, which we know isn't true. I mean, we could look at Jewish populations be like, they obviously have more mental illness, so they'll admit they have more Tay Sachs disease that things like Tay Sachs disease also cause neurological problems, but then they'll be like, they don't have more mental health issues.
01:32:27 It's retarded, right? Then we got user account says, love the show. How do my fiance and I best scam the welfare system? I want to live rich like Jews in Lakewood, New Jersey.
01:32:45 I've never done it. My husband says, No, I keep trying. And he's like, we're Nora.
01:32:51 Well, I bet that's something AI could probably help you out with. Yeah, really, yeah. Cover your tracks. Optimistically, pessimistic. Says, Hey, Devon, I sent in a super chat a few seconds before you ended the stream on Saturday. I'm not sure if you've seen it. Anyways, I'll check out this stream later. Keep up the good work. I'll have to check you so much. I'll check out the next show. And entropy crashed on us. So that's all of them, awesome. Let's see if I read No, it says we're not online anymore.
01:33:21 I've got a bunch on YouTube. If you want me to start, yeah,
01:33:23 if you want to go through those, I'm gonna try to fix interest.
01:33:26 Sure, and it's not too late. Send your super chats. I am one of the belly of the beast on YouTube. Let's see March 18 already, man, I'm legit scared. I'm worried I'm gonna get murdered. Like, in what situation would you frantically be knocking on your neighbor's door and then just pull into your driveway and run away? Yeah, just bizarre. Go over there after this.
01:33:48 There's a missile headed for your neighborhood. He saw it on the news, and he's like, take cover. The Iranians. Their missiles gonna make it here.
01:33:57 I know. I'm like, shut up. I'm talking about the Jews on YouTube. Jacob Winkelman, Winkelmann, all right, dude, I saw this on Mr. Ballin immediately early life to the person conducting this study. Oh, I didn't know that it has been widely talked about, but you're going to get some of that as because those shows are the ones that have the most resources, the ones that people have already discussed. Righteous muffin can't listen now, but we'll later hear some shackles from my favorite too. Oh, thank you so much. Matthew Hess no note, thank you. Todd Campbell, big dono, no no. Thank you, sir. Arcade output outpost, please check the Kendler experiments that ran from 60s to 2000s as a sister piece to the show, they placed boys with pedophiles, the pacify Nazism. Google search kentler experiment, New Yorker for the article. Is this true?
01:34:43 I heard something about that once. I've never looked into it, but I've
01:34:46 heard something about that. Neha says, Rebecca, it's Ron from across the way. I need to borrow some sugar. I'm halfway through mixing a pound cake. Please stop over immediately after your show. Thanks. Am I going to get murdered? If I get murdered, it was my neighbor. I. Three doors down. So bizarre. Two bots, k4 21 I've always heard of the twin study. Growing up, I had no clue that it was tribe related. Yes, it's the Julius study to ever exist, Vincent pen dragon. I've also found that diet matters. If you know what your ancestors always had. It does improve your overall health versus today's slop that affects? Oh, of course, I think so. And to be fair, I eat an ancestral diet. I don't eat seed oil, so I must think that it matters on some level. But I just don't think
01:35:33 it's, well, yeah, we're not saying that it doesn't matter. Oh, it's like, if instead of putting normal gasoline in a car, you put diesel in, Diesel in it, it's gonna have a problem. But you know, yeah, we are all machines, and you have to treat it like that. But putting high octane gasoline in your Honda isn't going to turn it into a Lambo. Yeah, is all we're
01:35:54 saying. Yep.
01:35:56 Scribble saga, no, no. Thank you, sir. Let me reload. I think I'm good over here, though.
01:36:02 All right, we got one from FUBAR nation that says, Thanks for pointing out another crazy example of Jewish behavior. Well, I appreciate that. Yep. Then we go over to rumble. We got a soft and quiet 1488 says, I hope you too will do some thinking like an outlaw content like you mentioned in episode one, great idea, what like? As in, like, how to avoid,
01:36:30 oh yeah, avoid
01:36:34 your crazy neighbor. We got crazy horse. Josiah says, If Normandy never conquered or conquered, yeah, he left off the Ed, I think England in 1066, we would be living in a wider, better world because Jew enslaved and took over the monetary system. Also, Orthodox Church isn't the best place to look for a wife. Okay, that made
01:37:02 it really hard to understand, yeah, or the
01:37:05 spelling of that, or rather, the phrasing of it, yeah, the yo Jimbo Rockford says, gotta go to work, so I'll catch the replay. Here's some money. Thank you. Fanny Schrute says, Albert goes into the pit roof. Hole is for Negroes. O slash. Then we got a risen Aryan or a rizzio rien, I don't know, says my Dixie rect, not sure what that means.
01:37:34 Come on. Come on. Get there. Devon, think about it. Think about it.
01:37:38 Dixie, wrecked. There it is.
01:37:42 Ah, is, took me a second. I got it cage motion. Jarro says, woot likes to watch. Says, catching up on past due support I owe the both of you got here last got here, late, looking forward to the stream. Cheers, thank you. Then we got no long pork. Says, The older I get, the more I realize the stuff Jews accuse Mengele of, they actually did and still do. Yes. Fannie Schutz says, Not a huge loss, as they did it to their own.
01:38:20 But wow. The entire idea behind this experiment is evil and sick. Is there nothing a Jew won't do? How about we ask? D man, that's a it's an inside insomnia stream. Joke there. Then we got. Mo Jack says adoptees suffer from trauma from being removed from birth mother four times high, higher suicide, substance abuse, emotional and learning disabilities, even if you put in loving family, yeah, yeah. Then we got a risen near in again, just a support. And then we got tomo Hawk says, Wow. What an incredibly Jewish story. Thanks for your great show, guys.
01:39:05 You're welcome. Thank you so much for joining us.
01:39:07 Then we got purple cat mint says good show. Thank you. Then we got how's it going? Says someone ranted about the band Black Magic SS on a previous stream. They are the best band ever, and their NS imagery desensitized me to the point of watching Devon black magic SS to black pilled pipeline. Ah, that's cool. Then we got the Supreme Rabbi Satan says ove or oy V rather. And then we got see that's how Jewish I'm not.
01:39:41 We got evergreen dream says the talk of growing weed reminds me. Did you know that several years ago, Colorado Institute of Law that barred white people from starting a weed business, so that BIPOCs got a head start. Good Lord, really. There you go. That makes. Sense. Then we got cage mission, Jaro says, another day, another study in the iron law of Jew projection, exactly, yeah. Then we got Night Train. Night Train says, loving this new show. Guys, keep it going forever, please.
01:40:18 Thank you so much. Appreciate that
01:40:19 night train. And then we got cage mucharo, again, says Malto, dextrin, dextrose, modified corn starch, are all artificial man made starches that spike the blood sugar and can cause diabetes. Supposedly, it is what it is. Well, like I said, again, we're, you know, we're not saying that it you could eat Oreos all day for every meal of the day, and and if your genes are good enough, you'll be fine. It's like,
01:40:45 it's like, no, no. Eventually that, you know, these things catch up with you,
01:40:49 but it doesn't, yeah, but, but chances are, if you're like, some like, dysgenic looking in cell, it's not because you had seed oil, it's because you're just a genetic after birth floating around in the in the ocean, like the tide at Omaha Beach. Then we got the supreme Rabbi Satan says there's nothing we won't do. And that is it, I think on our side over here,
01:41:16 I got a few more over here, and I'm gonna go over to my neighbor's house and see why you fucking bothered me during my stream. Let's see Jacob Winkelman says, I'm not a traditional white nationalist. Winkleman, I really only want an ethnic core. I don't care if the last 15 to 20% is Irish, Italian Albanian Greek, or even the lighter Chaldeans. Okay, I can get behind that. I don't care if the last 15 to 20% Irish, Italian Albanian Greek. Okay, no. White Nationalist would really take issue with this at that point. Yeah, if we were
01:42:00 like, if we were, like, if we were like, 100% European, but 15% of those were, like, you know, the swarthy kinds, I'd be all right that,
01:42:08 yeah, yeah, me too. Me too. Thank you so much for joining us. We are here every Wednesday, although we've talked a little bit about changing the time slot,
01:42:19 we might possibly Yeah, because apparently we went, we went, we're going head to head with Mark Collette's show. So we, or we'll force him to change his, I don't know,
01:42:32 yeah, yeah, Mark, we're gonna go.
01:42:35 We'll go maybe slightly later in the afternoon or something.
01:42:38 Yeah, right. We'll see. We'll keep you guys posted. And then on my YouTube channel, I am doing a stream about Iran on Friday with Mr. Cameron McGregor, who has explicitly told me to, you know, not tell everybody that we're doing a stream, but I just don't have the energy to be cryptic anymore, you know. So, yeah, you'll see that on Friday. On my YouTube channel, I am Rebecca Hargraves, you can find me on Twitter at blondes, underscore, tweets, Devon. Where can people find you from my YouTube channel?
01:43:09 You can go to black build comm will take you to the Odyssey channel, I am Black Pilled on Rumble. I'm Black underscore Pilled on X and, yeah, I think that's about that's about that's about it, right? Yeah.
01:43:24 Thank you all so much for joining. Oh, I just had one more come in. This is Todd Campbell. Have you ever heard of the reviewed? Or have you ever heard of or reviewed, I'm retarded the net by Lutz dombec about Ted case, cybernetics and the internet. I've neither heard of nor reviewed this. What about you? Negative, negative. I'm sorry. I hate when people send in money and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. I know. I'm sorry, guys, we will see you next Wednesday. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a pleasure, and thank you, Devon.
01:43:58 All right, you guys, have a good rest of your day. Bye.